Russia-Ukraine War

The longer this war goes on, the less it looks like Western ineptitude to me and the more it looks like the Russian frog is being boiled.

Don’t worry, Russia will pay for each of those deaths eventually.

I was researching some of the Independent candidates in Ireland South for the upcoming European elections. As expected they mostly appear to be either on the far-right or far-left. I was pleasantly surprised by one though, Christoper Doyle from Wexford. He's a retired engineer and I automatically assumed he was going to be another far-right candidate. Not so. The independent interviewed him last week. Here's what he had to say about Ukraine:

One of Christopher’s core aims is to do “whatever is necessary to fully reinstate Ukraine and protect the European Union”, and he fears the ongoing war has the potential to “threaten peace like no other time in history since WWII”.“The war in Ukraine has the capacity to expand and could very well lead to war on the European mainland in the lifetime of the next European Parliament,” he says.Should the conflict lead to the annexation of Ukraine, Christopher says the knock-on effect across Europe will be incalculable.“There’s four million Ukrainians outside of the country at the moment, which leaves 34 million in it, if Ukraine falls the 34 million people living there are not going to be too interested in staying under a Russian regime, and you have to ask yourself, ‘where are those people thinking of going?’“We have about 100,000 Ukrainian people here at the moment, if you scale that up and do the math it becomes big numbers, that's not possible, it’s not feasible, it’s on a scale we cannot comprehend. And that’s just one consequence of things going badly in Ukraine. If it goes badly in Ukraine it’s very bad for Europe on many, many levels. I’d be hugely concerned about that.”

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If there's one thing we've learned from this thread it's that there's good reason to be suspicious of new posters who constantly call for 'negotiations' so that this 'awful war' can stop and the 'needless loss of Ukrainian lives'. Some of them are better at it than others and are able to bait a few of the more pro-Ukrainian posters into over reacting and get a thread band. Job done.

I agree with your first paragraph apart from the endstate being the same. If Russia had been defeated rapidly in the first 12 months when it was disorganised, it would have been in a much better economic state than it will be by the time it is eventually defeated. I am of the opinion that some of the decision makers do not necessarily see it as a bad thing if the war drags on longer than it has to, and Russia is in an even worse position economically. Even if this comes at the cost of more Ukrainian lives. I don't think the real war any more is a military one on the territory of Ukraine. I think it is now an economic one and Russia is a pawn at the mercy of the West and China who perhaps still have to decide how comprehensively Russia is to be destroyed economically.

China will be calculating purely in economic terms since it is geopolitically on Russia's side. The West may also be factoring in whether an economically neutered Russia will be less of a pain in the hole to the West than it has been for the past 2 decades. Russia has been an asrehole globally for the past 2 decades. Not the only one, but that's a discussion for another thread. Cyber attacks, assassinations, funding of far-right and left, interference in democratic elections and referendums, creating refugee crises to destabilise Europe among other shenanigans. If Russia had to spend its time and energy quelling internal conflicts between restless republics, it would have less time to create them abroad.

The nuclear threat is overblown. The codes are centrally controlled from Moscow, so whoever emerges strongest there will control that and only them. The same way Russia inherited them from the USSR.

The US do not want Russia to collapse so they are trying to defeat them in a controlled way. This is very difficult so it is expected the support will be turned off and back on repeatedly. I

the comments on the that tweet are insane

Nothing can ever replace all the dead innocent people and the survivors who suffered trauma that will take generations to overcome. The war is a massive crime but also a great tragedy and not even total victory can compensate for the human toll

you give the impression that there were some wars were confined to killing/maiming soldiers only. Please name a few ? Yes there has been / is and will be a lot of suffering on both sides - re deaths , injuries and MIA which is a’PITY’ . SO, IF YOU KNOW WHO STARTED IT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY INFLUENCE WITH HIM , WELL PLEADE WITH HIM TO LAY DOWN HIS ARMS AND GO HOME.
If it is Zelensky you have influence with I think that you might have a BIG DIFFICULTY in getting Russia to down arms and go home. But if it is Putin you have some influence with and he downs arms and goes home you should have no problem with UKr downing arms and going——— . Wait now , sure they are already home

Posthumous letter from Ukrainian medic- https://united24media.com/latest-news/a-posthumous-letter-from-25-year-old-ukrainian-paramedic-iryna-tsybukh-killed-by-russia-published-by-her-brother-539