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General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭jacool


    Imagine testing the nerve of players by saying "We will offer you X to play" as you say you want to come to play for us, even if another club are willing to pay X++. If you were signing players who say, e.g. "I want to play for Man Utd* " , surely you wouldn't have to throw stupid money at them. *other big clubs are available

    Too many badge kissers at all the big clubs, who realistically, are just in it for the money.



  • Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭ Van Tall Cemetery


    They also built their new 24k music venue beside their stadium. Probably using it for more "revenue" generated. No concerts at the Etihad this year. Although got off to a terrible start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭jacool


    Isn't that 24k capacity too big for their fanbase? Couldn't resist!

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  • Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭ Van Tall Cemetery


    Liverpool are happy as they are giving them a go with Tay Tay and Pink. I remember Old Trafford did it one year with the Stones and someone else, however it was such a disaster they said never again. The cricket club knows how to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,243 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Surely the workers have genuine health and safety concerns about coming onsite? They’ll need waterproof clothing for a start !



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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amazing how people defend this kind of stuff. United have replaced a Glazer with a British tax-exile Glazer.



  • Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭ Van Tall Cemetery


    Yeah I'm not a fan. However he is similar to Edwards. Most billionaires are assholes anyway. We have our own in JP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,037 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    I think Liverpool like Croke park have limited number of dates for music concerts because of residents but 3 nights of Taylor Swift and 2 nights of Pink will make or break them I say for future concerts. They did not have any last summer because they were completing the construction of the newest stand but the Pink concerts in 2019 went off fine

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You don't get to be a billionaire by thinking of other people and being nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    Billionaires doing billionaire things works in the general employment market because there are huge numbers of potential employees willing to put up with **** to get stuff on their cv or to earn relatively big bucks.

    Not wanting to start WW3 but are Utd fans that deluded that they think talented in demand footballers will accept bonus related, earn if you play / win contracts just because they always wanted to play for Utd? Seriously? They will turn down a guaranteed income elsewhere in the hope that the Utd shitshow will be able to compete with City? Do you really think their Mr 20% will recommend that?

    Brace yourselves lads for the “morale is shot”, “atmosphere of fear” headlines coming soon. Billionaires thinking they know how to run things is a disaster for a football club. Take a look at Chelsea and don’t quote me City. They appointed the right people (eventually!) and stood back.



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  • Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭ Van Tall Cemetery


    Id be going mad if this was to United. Wonder what they are thinking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,906 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Erm, yes. Because even implementing that and reducing wages would still see us paying WAY more than most clubs, more than any other not insane club.

    United could substantially reduce wages, and the base pay would still be higher than other clubs.

    Martial was on 250k a week. WHY? No one was EVER offering him a salary competing with that. not even close.

    Brandon Williams was on 60k per week. as a just broke into the team, maybe, young rotational fullback, on his first contract. That would make him a top earner at half the pl and most of europe!

    No one else was in for Antony. He was on 20k a week at Ajax, and we offer 200k? WHY? Bruno came in on 80k at first, why was that model not followed? A substantial wage increase for him, but not an elite level wage in general. Room for movement.

    I do think we would need to offer over the top for 'elite' players, in lieu of bonus' but the probably at United is EVERYONE is paid more than they should be, and that is most damaging when it is squad players and not star players, as it becomes very difficult to move squad players on when they are on big wages.

    Unless your argument is united need to accept they have to pay 30+% more than anyone else just to get any players to sign, which I don't agree with.

    In fact, I would say the united wage structure as it is, is completely out of step with everyone else. Whether that is Liverpool or Spurs or Villa or Palace. United simply pay way too much, and we didn't use getting rid of DDG and Sanchez to reset it, we set the bar at 340k with Casemiro and Varane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    I honestly don’t know how this relates to my post. I’m talking about future recruitment not the dross that is currently stealing a living at OT. How do you get the next Jude Bellingham to sign for 100k a week plus bonuses when he will be busting his ass only to see Rashford or Casemiro on 350K strolling around? No way will they, or their agent, contemplate that situation. Why would they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,906 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    You don't.

    But you do solve your issues quite a bit by not giving kids 60k contracts after 1 appearance. Or average squad players 150k a week. Or Phil Jo es a new 150k contract that he makes like 10 appearances in.

    And then when you get rid of high earners not earning their contracts you look to reset the scales rather than replace with another older player on north of 300k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭doc_17


    In ways, UTD remind me of RTÉ. Martial is like Rte’s Brendan O’Connor. He’s on €250k a year and you have to ask, would he have turned down €125k? Who was in for Martial? An awful footballer to have at your club. Poisons the place.
    But if people expect billionaires to come in and that having no implications for the lower paid, then I have magic beans to see you! As someone better than me said, most billionaires are a result of failures of social policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I'd say he's more like Jennifer Zamperelli, nobody knows how they've survived this long and most are delighted to see them gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭jacool


    Which is the bigger question - How did this happen? or How did they get him to take off his baseball cap?

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,860 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    What has this got to do with United? Am I missing something?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Assume he means someone with Kompanys record / profile getting the BM job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭doc_17


    With Kompany, it’s like clubs are trying to get the next Arteta. Arteta had no track record of success before he got the Arsenal job. So BM are thinking that Kompany can be another Pep disciple.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Kompany had a hugely successful career as captain.

    As manager, he had a big spending team stylishly dominate. That would be the logic I can see behind his appointment.

    He wasn't able to overcome the gap between top of the Championship and the Premiership and his style of play wasn't enough with the players he had. Iirc, he struggled with Anderlecht at first and that would be more in line with the situation he'll have at Bayern, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,906 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I reckon they also are quite happy(ish) for it to not work out as they probably have their eye on Pep, Klopp and Alonso for 'Bayern Munich Manager search 2025'. Much like their attempt to keep Tuchel was for the coming season, I reckon they only really plan on him being there for the year.

    Kompany probably comfortable with that too cause the chance to raise his profile in the coming season is much greater at Bayern than Burnley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,197 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Everyone is looking for the next big thing in management.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭doc_17


    yeah, absolutely agree with that. Clubs like Bayern operate like that. Wouldn’t surprise me if Kompany was doing reasonably well and they still sacked him because someone like Klopp, Alonso became available.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kompany could be an average coach and still win the league next season because Bayern have the best squad in that league by a mile



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Bringing in players on crazy wages creates huge problems because the guys that have been busting their backsides and doing a great job are not happy to be on much lower wages and they then want their slice of cake.

    We don't know what was going on with Rashford this year but it could very well have been a money thing where he felt undervalued with the wages others were getting. Like if Hojlund came on bigger money than him he'd have every right to not be happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭Talisman


    There's a lot of egos to manage at Bayern and the performance levels of the team have been declining for the past few seasons. The appointment of Nagelsmann was supposed to revolutionise the team but his methods ruffled feathers which resulted in his sacking. Bayern limped to the 2022/23 league title, Tuchel wanted to clear out elements of the team afterwards but he didn't get his wishes and that was his undoing. The same players are still in the squad and so long as they retain their power the manager is on a hiding to nothing if the players don't deliver on the pitch.

    Bayern definitely lost their aura last season. After they lost to Leverkusen in February there was a 3-2 loss to Bochum in the next game. They had taken an early lead but were out fought for the remainder of the game and were 3-1 down before pulling a goal back in injury time. The loss to Dortmund in late March was followed by a 3-2 defeat to Heidenheim. Bayern had been winning 2-0 at half time but they couldn't compete in the second half. It was a similar pattern in the defeats to Stuttgart and Hoffenheim on the run-in, Bayern's quality got them goals in the first half but the energy levels dropped after half time and they were cut open. Conceding 3 goals in the last 20 minutes of the final game of the season dropped them to third place in the league

    Tackling the issue of the jaded players won't be an easy task for Kompany. And provided the Dortmund and Leverkusen squads aren't plundered in the transfer window they'll stand a good chance of beating Bayern to the title next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I thought Rashford was one of the highest paid players, second only to Casemiro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,123 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    yeah, Rashford’s reportedly on 3+ times Hojlund’s wages.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Varane was and Cas / Sancho are on in the region of £350k a week. Rashford is a tier below, think it was reported around £250k a week. The figures will be reduced by 25% for not qualifying for the CL.

    Varane is gone and hopefully Cas and Sancho will also be gone by the end of the transfer window. I'd lose zero sleep if Rashford was sold either tbh.



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