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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,013 ✭✭✭jmreire


    What happens? Hopefully Russia starts to see many more mysterious explosions in locations that they are attacking from. Things that go "BOOOOOOM" in the night (and daytime) !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He is putting the fear into Putin because Putin knows, as we all do, that Trump is unpredictable.

    Same with threatening NATO withdrawal, it was an attempt to force Western Europe to defend itself and pay for that, God couldn't make them do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭randomuser02125


    I'm going with Occam's razor and assume it's Trump saying something that popped into his barely functioning brain. Your post implies a level of intelligence Tiny simply doesn't have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,209 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Not sure what has changed specifically.

    To attempt to change the regime of any country is never an obviously beneficial road to go down and predictions of the consequences are surely incredibly unreliable.

    Personally I was initially reassured when Putin took charge from Yeltsin as I sensed he had intelligence and would be competent despite the difficult situation he faced in Russia.

    I think I was not alone in that but his actions (whilst I accept that it is Russia's right to fight their corner) have been morally depraved and disastrous for his own country and others'.

    I have little idea what will come after him but something surely will.

    We still need to treat Russia with respect even if they do not deserve it because one day good people will probably emerge from the straight jacket they are now living under,admittedly not necessarily in the aftermath of Putin's demise (look at Germany)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'd say Kadyrov looks alright for someone who was rumoured to have died last year.

    But there's been something 'not right' in Russia for a long time. I'd say Putin almost thrives on this kind of political intrigue. How long have people been falling out of windows while gardening or playing golf etc. ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    More limits on the “no limits” partnership



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    @TheValeyard If you look at this map and particularly russia above kharkiv, thats russia. There are about 3 russia oblasts there along in a line toward russia occupied areas in east ukraine ( the red ) inc belgorad area where russia all along has used as an untouchable staging area for troops and for firing weapons into ukraine. Putin knowing they remain untouched by the blocks put on ukraine.

    So, I am hearing the US and others will allow use of there weapons ONLY for those oblasts in russia. This then pushes staging areas and russia weapons platforms firing into ukraine further north into russia.

    _130527059_ukraine_russian_control_whole_areas_map-nc.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Probably see Russians staging in Belarus soon, although there not any major cities within range of the border thankfully.

    The US hasn't allowed it yet, but the list of countries not allowing it is growing smaller each day. If the US allows it, I doubt they would allow the cluster shells be used, which would be really unfortunate. But as you say, it pushes the staging and supply lines much further back.

    Ridiculous situation where Ukraine has to sit there waiting until the Russians cross the border before they can fire on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    @Wolf359f I would doubt Belarus would be used TBH. I would say if they were firing in from Belarus to Ukraine that might create a legit situ where Luka is then a legit target I would say?

    "Ridiculous situation where Ukraine has to sit there waiting until the Russians cross the border before they can fire on them."

    Yip, always thought that right from Feb 24th 22 ( my birthday :D .. for ever marked )



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Those oblasts (Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh, Rostov) neighbouring Ukraine each are bigger than most European countries

    Being permitted to use weapons like HIMARs here would be a major win and stretch Russian logistics to a breaking point

    Btw in all the hoopla here I was the only one to raise the most important event of last week, Ukrainians hit and destroyed Russian nuclear first warning radars 1800km away not once but twice, and nothing from Russia despite such an event technically be enough provocation for a nuclear escalation in the Russian doctrine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,200 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    When there's been talk of a negotiated settlement including a demilitarised zone, the bothsiders always say that it should be on the occupied territory. Effectively making a demilitarised zone of these four oblasts on the Russian side of the border would be a far better long-term solution for Ukraine (and Europe) - and a clear signal to Putin that making a move on any other country's territory (e.g. Georgia) was more than likely to result in his USSR v2.0 getting progressively smaller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Another domino falling

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Every day they resemble the Islamic terrorists more and more

    and this gem from their tv heads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Part of me worries though that Ukraine are still getting their hands tied. Macrons words are extremely specific.

    Just the missile launch sites. But not other military targets? Why not concentrations of troops? What about airfields that bombers are taking off from? Ammo dumps? Radars? AA installations? Command posts.

    All of these are completely valid military targets. Why simply missile launch sites? That seems ridiculously narrow.

    My hope is theres more going on behind the scene and this is just a tester for western countries to see how Russia reacts. Its understandable but Ukrainians are dying, their cities being bombed while we tip toe the red line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭vswr


    UK Storm Shadows…same missile.

    Or a few SCALPS with "Le Storm Shadow" and a few Union Jacks stickered on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Maybe they worried the 550km (probably more) range missile be used by Ukrainians who just go “**** it” and send it 460km distance from border to Kremlin to deliver Putin a 450kg present while he sits on the toilet.

    Edit; very nice!

    Kazakhstan blocking payments to China via their country, that’s ontop of Chinese companies not wanting to deal with Russia

    https://www-moscowtimes-ru.translate.goog/2024/05/28/banki-kazahstana-nachali-blokirovat-platezhi-izrossii-vkitai-a132091?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Yeah I mean the worry is almost certainly either… Will Ukraine get desperate enough in future and bomb something truly escalatory. Or what will Russia do if Ukraine target a troop concentration and end up hitting civilians or something.

    But it still doesnt make sense anyway. No matter what Ukraine do the Kremlin will claim that a UK supplied Stormshadow hit 3 million Ukrainian POWs and Russian children. And that the UK are responsible. Then they'll do nothing. As per usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,200 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Just the missile launch sites. But not other military targets? Why not concentrations of troops? What about airfields that bombers are taking off from? Ammo dumps? Radars? AA installations? Command posts.

    What he said wasn't quite as restrictive as that - he said (translated) "sites from which missiles are fired, military sites from which Ukraine is attacked" which I would take to include any bases where troops are massed with an apparently obvious intention to invade (i.e. close to the border) and airfields from which the bomb-launching aircraft take off. The "not other military targets" would seem to exclude, say, training grounds in the Moscow region or airfields in the far east of the country.

    Sounds to me like a politically sensible compromise - a very clear "get the fk out of Ukraine, Putin, and we'll leave you salvage what dignity you can; but we're the ones drawing lines on the map now."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I mean I hope you're right and I'm wrong. But he did put in the "not other military targets" in there.Whatever that's supposed to mean. I hope that we're on the verge of a real breakthrough and western leaders showing some real Churchillesque spine. But I'm doubtful they've managed to peel themselves away from the drip drip, non escalation baby steps policy we've seen to date.

    I suppose we're going to find out together soon what Ukraine is actually allowed to do. Part of me wishes they just announced nothing and all of a sudden Russian ammo dumps and airfields start exploding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,732 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I wonder would it be a good idea to simultaneously launch from Ukraine cruise missiles on multiple targets where Putin is likely to be? Could be done under the cover of a massive drone strike?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    The attack is unlikely to kill putin at the first attempt. It will only drive him underground forever. The only sure way to get rid of the rat is for someone in his entourage to kill him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    And how do you think Russia would respond to that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,732 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    You're probably right but it might make him think twice or make it harder for him to control things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    A big celebration and a simultaneous grab for power among the elites?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I wonder what the rules are on diplomatic immunity and if they needed the permissions of the sending countries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2




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