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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    The worst part of that is that they would probably get away with it.

    The US have no balls to sanction the Israelis especially in an election year. The Israelis are just going to keep going until they themselves decide to stop under the guise that anyone who condemns them is "anti-semitic" - round and round we go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    The usual mob defending the indefensible for the Zionist regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The only thing is they are burning their bridges with most western countries. Lobe oks like the EU have faith with them and Macron is openly telling them to stop the slaughter.

    The US are a lost cause. Netanyahu may as well be their President at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,197 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The entire strategy of Hamas is to trade the lives of their own people in the hope that Israel will crack and lose their resolve.

    The only logical option is to organise a surrender to stop the further loss of life. Unfortunately that's the last thing Hamas will consider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,266 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Why would they surrender? At this stage it looks like they may survive the conflict and Israel is only making themselves weaker on the world stage. Do you honestly believe Israels current strategy is working,?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Isn't it mad that a random poster on boards.ie understands perfectly Hamas tactics of tricking and forcing the IDF into murdering Palestinian civilians, yet with all their supposed sophistication and intelligence services and technology, the IDF are powerless to stop Hamas from tricking them into committing these atrocities. All the people that they have there as so-called professionals and not one of them can think "Ah hold on lads, lets not fall for that trick again when we actually don't want to be doing the oul' murdering and maiming of tens of thousands of innocent men, women and kids………"

    New Recruit: "Hey Captain, how about we tackle these fellas the same way we would as if there was a suspected terrorist cell in Tel Aviv. Like you know, we probably wouldn't flatten all the buildings full of civilians in a 500m radius if that was the case"

    Captain: "What, and lose our resolve to murder and maim as many innocent arabs when we have the chance"?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Or maybe the Israelis just stop the indiscriminate bombing of civilians. They have well and truly made their point at this stage and yesterdays massacre should be the end point in all this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,850 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    The Israeli ambassador in Ireland Dana Elrich who is currently in Israel having been recalled is threatening Ireland that Israeli investors won’t invest in tech in Ireland due to the Irish government’s recognition of Palestine.

    The USA and the UK need to grow a pair and start standing up to this disgusting Israeli regime. The world must act in unison and turn on this Israeli government, issue sanctions against them, treat them like Apartheid South Africa. They should be thrown out of the Olympics, thrown out of international football and every other international sport. Hamas of course an equally despicable regime but the idea that this Israel government thinks that they can threaten us with pulling investment or whatever needs to be firmly rammed down their throats. This is just the beginning. Turn the screw on them until they start to behave themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I'd forgotten about that. I got impression the threat to Israel was coming from elsewhere than Gaza now?

    (Unless media reporting on it have this wrong) it is first rocket fire deep into Israel Hamas has managed for a long time.

    IMO, that would have made it somewhat significant. I'd say it is likely Israelis had tabs on any Hamas leaders they targetted for a while (Gaza must be the most surveilled location on the Earth), just decided now was a good time to do the trade of killing some random "animals" to get the Hamas members as response to the rockets.

    It certainly sends a strong message to likes of the ICJ, ICC etc. as well (f-ck you, f-ck your statements, your "laws" etc, we do what we want!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nonsense. You don't think Israel's going to care about sanctions? Or that, if in fact they happen, they'll happen in a timely way?

    Hamas could return hostages and surrender. That could happen in a few days. Much faster solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, Ireland can bluster but Israel can't. Good to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Total in that last attack has risen -

    "At least 45 people have been killed,
    including women and children, in an Israeli air strike on a camp for
    displaced Palestinians in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, the Hamas-run
    health ministry says.

    Videos from the scene in the Tal al-Sultan area on Sunday night showed a large explosion and intense fires burning."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kkqkngnedo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    You must have missed my question on the last page. Do you think Israel has the right to commit war crimes because Hamas hasn't surrendered?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Netanyahu says deadly Rafah airstrike a 'tragic mishap'

    Benjamin Netanyahu has described the deadly Israeli airstrike on a camp for displaced Palestinians in the southern Gaza city of Rafah as a “tragic mishap”.

    “We are investigating the case, that is our policy,” Netanyahu said in a speech at the Knesset on Monday, Haaretz reported.

    The Israeli leader added that “for us, every uninvolved [being hurt] is a tragedy,” it added. He claimed the incident occurred “despite our best efforts not to hurt them”.

    Tens of thousands of tragedies. You'd think one might change tack after the first ten or ten thousand.

    They're really taking the piss bombing people in tents and then saying they made an effort not to hurt them. If this was any other country, they'd never get away with bombing hospitals and refugees to get a target. Sure wouldn't anywhere in America be a valid target if any soldier was out shopping or at the cinema.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    What Israel is arguing is the equivalent of saying this hospital ship is completely valid target for a country at war with America. Their logic is you could sink the ship as long as you kill a Colonel.

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    I have no idea how the world is standing by and being fooled into this entirely new notion that you can bomb whatever you want in order to get a target. The rules are being thrown out and now the ICC and ICJ have lost all purpose. This hypocrisy and rules that only apply to enemies will have repercussions lasting decades.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No one has the 'right' to commit war crimes. Was someone granting them this right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,170 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Al-Tamimi is retconned into just an innocent journalist these days I'm sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Do you approve of Israel's use of war crimes in its fight with Hamas since they haven't surrendered yet?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Until Hamas surrenders, neither Hamas nor Israel should commit war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    It's what the US has been effectively doing for the last few decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Really? I think that's a matter of opinion, that the US has been 'granting a right to commit war crimes.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Then contrast between , in the past 100 years, the number of Jews who've been murdered in antisemitic crimes throughout the world with the number of Palestinians who've been killed in violent incidents - in wars and in massacres by some Israeli Jews.

    In the Middle East, most Arabs who are killed in wars are killed by other Arabs and most Muslims who are killed in those wars are killed by other Muslims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Well Israel commits war crimes practically every day so your support of Israel is a bit odd considering you don't approve of war crimes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Where guilt has been proven, Israeli men who committed rape were punished by Israeli courts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    You either didn't understand my post or are deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I did not say Palestinians are being persecuted, I said the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians, journalists, medical workers, aid workers etc. and deliberately destroying infrastructure hence the accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing. The deliberate targeting is an objective fact and we will have to wait to see what the judgement is on the accusations of genocide. The rest of your post is whataboutery based on the initial strawman so I'm not engaging with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    As seems to be usual with your quips and musings, it's literally just you saying this on the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Intention to kill innocents in the IDF operation has not been proven.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    They have deliberately targeted innocent people including civilians, journalists and aid workers. No doubt you don't view anyone other than Israelis as being innocent but rational people do. If you want to LARP as some sort of political commentator at least have some basic knowledge on what you're posting about.



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