Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Agreed. Increased thresholds for protection are a useful policy of deterrence in the Danish model and incredibly limited use of leave to remain is one measure that is used to increase the threshold for protection. Sweden, for example, limits leave to remain to children and families with children only. As leave to remain is a discretionary form of international protection, it is relatively simple for EU Member States to limit its use.

3 very left wing candidates were elected the last time out, no one felt that was a "major shift in the political leanings of the Irish electorate." And it wasn't.

The only thing I find odd about your vision of ending leave to remain is the distinct lack of actually ending leave to remain. You're saying the ones that don't go home won't get support or even a tent or a blanket — OK — but they're still remaining right?

I've a feeling there's probably some law that prevents private businesses keeping people prisoner.

But surely this is where one of the major issues lies. If someone arrives here claiming asylum, there should be a detention centre where they await the decision of if they can stay or not- bed and board but no money given. If it takes three months to process, that's the time it takes and would be far cheaper in the long run. I'm sure the possibility of having that long a stay, would put some off travelling. At the moment, they know that on arrival they can go anywhere, get money etc. There's no disincentive .

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Meanwhile, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee said the number of deportation orders signed has increased by more than 50%

Increased by 50%? So have we deported 20 folks so far this year? 😎

The canal barriers stretch all the way to Portobello now, and yesterday's food market on Mespil road was cancelled due to the tents. Not to worry, once they open Thornton hall they can hide the problem there. 160 acres so thats a lot of space.

McEntee was on newstalk this morning again reading the same script that her department are in control. Faster decisions, more deportation orders etc. Nothing about discouraging more arrivals.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seeker-arrivals-average-54-per-day-last-week-1728121

Well, you'll excuse me for saying "every time" because such is the level of assuredness held by many on here that the problems are easily fixed and only the lefty incompetence of the government stands in the way that I would have assumed a foolproof system was easily achievable. But yes, in your case, I see you are acknowledging the difficulty inherent with successfully deporting people every time. So that's fair.

But let's take your example there. What if another government does the same thing or penalises the airline for allowing people with no documentation to travel back into that country? What if the other country, dealing with its own issues with asylum seekers and illegal migrants decides it's just not going to play ball and they simply instruct the airlines to keep the person on the plane and send them straight back to us.

Because that refusal by our European partners to play ball with us and each other is precisely one of the ongoing reasons why deporting people is hard to do. And while therefore it's obvious that a more joined up European strategy for working together on this whole issue is needed, who opposes the EU Migration and Asylum Pact? Aontú.

If you go by certain posters in here you would think none of this is even an issue and why are we even protesting

Who mentioned keeping anyone prisoner??

I think dedicated centres are inevitable personally (though I imagine it will still be a moanfest on here that building centres is only making room to take in more etc). But we have to be realistic about their effectiveness both as a deterrent and a practical long term solution — because while the prospect of being cooped up in one might certainly put some people off, plenty will be happy to chance it. Sure why not? Part of the reason I say that is because the use of centres in places like the UK has demonstrated that oft times the people are eventually just allowed to leave the centre or end up staying in the building and taking up space for ages.

So yes, centres could work as long as people are willing to accept their limitations and that they aren't going to "fix" this.

They aren't assisting illegal entry.

Blueplanet did.

I would be much in favour in Irish women attending as well.

No i didn't, you should retract that statement.
The "keeping prisoner" is only your own conjecture.

Detention centres will only be effective if the detainees are not able to leave at all until a decision is made on their status. If they are allowed freedom of movement they'll be back at the canal within the hour. IPAS need to set up a national centre in the biggest camp with satellites in all others. No need for a city centre location IMV.

Bang on the money. My opinion is we make it hard for illegal / economic immigrants. Genuine cases will get through. I have no problems with that. Economic Immigrants coming here under the guise of IPA will soon discover that it's not a piss take anymore. And all the enablers that give them tents and tell us they are doctors and engineers and can pay our pensions can focus on the genuine refugees that need help, instead of undermining further the system that already is undermined. And while we are it cut the funding to the multiple NGO's involved in immigration. There are two many overlapping and doing the same job. All their CEO's are getting media careers out of it.