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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Agree with the posters here… Usually during the summer there’s a big mass brawl of some type somewhere when you have the combination of drink & sun, and boredom of youths not being in school/college… Now with these added frustrations, I really can see it all kicking off somewhere some night during the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,604 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Never mind what I'm predicting - I keep seeing predictions about how some sort of 'political earthquake' involving anti-immigration candidates is going to happen in the Irish European and local elections in June. I've seen this stated repeatedly here with the greatest of confidence for the last few months (this despite the fact that there is no sign in polls that the mainstream parties in the Dáil are losing support….the only one that appears to have gone into something of a slump is Sinn Fein).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    No everyone can go to a march but they have a vote.

    Look at the last referendum where the government and opposition were so sure of themselves and then did a uturn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,941 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I'm wondering this too. The only seriously right-wing contender likely to take a seat that I can see is Boylan. Two others who have made critical noises about immigration policy - Mcnamara and Toibin - have a very good and decent chance respectively, but neither would describe themselves as right wing, and I dount either goes near far enough for the blowhards on this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    You're bordering on contempt, it has been explained to you countless times but I shall use your own words as vector

    "just because Irish migrants aren't asylum seekers or illegal migrants"

    Conflating theses separate categories as one is conflating consensual with non-consensual

    Any effect that holds plurality between the categories is irrelevant only the non-consensual nature and its effects

    There are specific guidelines in relation to this, I shall not quote from Irish case law as that would be disrespectful but include a citation that is in the public domain

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4n1l3n8zg1o

    Post edited by whatever. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Many of the women in the documentary said they'd never be able to live freely and equally because they've known the opposite since a child. But they said they'd at least try and steer their daughters down the right path. It definitely helps.

    Been to a few beaches recently and there's a lot of Somalians. The dad and son's go in for a swim but the daughters and wife(s) are completely covered and at best get to dip their ankles in. Disgusting culture and shouldn't be encouraged here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    I am not specifically Mr Oaf but would like to point out that

    Right / Left are economic positions, by definition right wing is pro (open, low or no regulation →immigration and left wing is the opposite

    Authoritarian / Libertarian are social positions

    The politicians making statements lack the intellect to understand the difference, it does a disservice to us all

    Those critical of the current policy would be correctly described socially and economically as the centre ground

    Those supporting the current 'policy' would be correctly described as right wing neo-liberals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    McNamara, Tobin, mullooly,boylan all have a major chance. I reckon a load running on anti immigration platform will get elected in the local elections also. Let's just see but if 25 percent of the population is voting that way that is a seismic shift no matter what way you dress it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It's sad to be waking up to further reports of this kind of aggression.

    The Gardai have a lot to be putting up with.

    Fair play to them for the restraint shown with that abuse hurled at them, all with numerous 'citizen journalists' holding phones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Looks very much like there'll be no deportations to Rwanda after all.

    It seems to be dependent now on a Tory election win, which seems highly unlikely.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/rishi-sunak-admits-no-rwanda-071643958.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    We are at 20% of the population being foreign nationals.

    What % is the tipping point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    They are getting good at that. There is a clip from NMK of an old woman being knocked over by another Rambo mk2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Fearne123


    I thought the wealthy Arab countries are against taking in refugees from Gaza since that would be what Israel wants? Why would Europe take them in instead? Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose? Or is there another reason why the neighbouring muslim countries won’t take in a larger number of Palestinians?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    At every turn the gardai escalate these situations. Why the need for excess numbers, that gets people's back up. Its inevitable tensions rise and strong language is used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    'Why the need for excess numbers'???

    I would have though in case they start another riot or go about burning yet another building.

    What a waste of valuable garda resources, especially considering the shortages, having to police this small but violent minority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Fearne123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    The Arab/ Muslim states surrounding erm Palestine don’t give two **** for the people there and are busy pouring oil into the fire

    They would be quite happy if millions endup in Europe and likes of Ireland

    Did you know that Qatar alone spent more on building hundreds of mosques across Europe (there’s now 7 in Galway alone!) than their aid to Palestinians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Good to see the Garda quick to arrest these trouble makers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Fearne123


    No, I didn’t know that. But it would make sense that their official “reason” for not taking in Gaza refugees is not valid, when the refugees are moving to Europe instead. Thank you for your explanation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Gamergurll


    Gazan refugees also have a history of being 'problematic'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I imagine it's because Palestinians — every man, woman and child — are hopelessly and irretrievably awful people and that's just the way it is and to say otherwise is snowflakey Western wokeness or something.

    The more realistic and nuanced take is probably that (1) yes, there is possibly a view that one country would take all of them and have to deal with the burden alone — realistically Egypt; (2) as you say, the traditonal refusal of Israel to accept the return of Palestinian refugees in previous peace negotiations leaves the Arab states in an awkward political position of being seen to facilitate the cleansing of the Holy Land of Palestinians; and (3) some of the Arab States have ongoing issues with Islamic fundamentalists and militants, and being seen as helping Israel wash its hands of the Muslim people in Palestine is fuel to a fire in their eyes.

    The Palestinians have also long been cut off and isolated from the rest of the Arab world — something which has fuelled resentment on a two way basis. The Syrians certainly didn't have much time for the PLO back in the say etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Total tangent but I was talking to a friend in Galway recently who works with young people in disadvantaged areas. She said that she thinks the current generation of teenagers will drop religion completely as they enter adulthood - all religions but she specifically called out Catholic and Muslim. She noticed that Catholics stop believing soon after primary school but that it takes Muslims a couple more years. She said ironically that the Muslims in Catholic "ethos" schools actually become more dedicated to their own religion when they see how seriously the communion/confirmation ceremonies are taken. Eventually they copy their Catholic peers and drop the pretence. She said they simply see that the whole religion story is made up - same as Santa, Tooth Fairy etc. She added that the traveller children are a little less likely to drop religion.

    They also have no interest in politics or global issues and that they are much less woke than people think. She does have great confidence that the young people growing up now will change the world for the better.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,604 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Some of these anti-immigration protests have spread to include intimidation of workers trying to go about their business at these sites (a criminal act). At this point, the authorities don't have much choice but to go in and make arrests.

    Screaming abuse at employees at their place of work and threatening them is not a 'peaceful protest'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭ooter


    Have the public order unit paid a visit to the site in clonmel yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    not yet but, protesting numbers seem low at present. Think there also multiple gates into the site so its hard for them to keep the guys out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭ooter


    Looks to me like there's been more damage done down there than there has in places like ballyogan, strange that they haven't been to clonmel yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    That would be a bit of silly protest now wouldn't, against the use of the building for asylum seekers, but turning a blind to the operation of said building.

    I don't know why, but as a nation we're too passive and don't voice our concerns enough. Rather talk in hushed tones and be good little citizens, we need to be more like the French.



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