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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Fair enough. Interesting that you see talking to me as a waste of time as I'm in the "there are none so blind" camp when in my previous post to you I literally set out my interpretation of your argument so that I was sure that I understood it. That's a courtesy that tends not to be extended to me, where all sorts of extrapolations and inferences are jammed into my mouth by others.

    But, having taken the time to read and understand your views, your logic to me remains not so much "none so blind" as it does "none who see so well only that which they selectively choose to see". At the end of the day, when you are claiming that elevated numbers of IPAs of several nationalities, experienced broadly across European countries, is a phenomenon which for some reason can more specifically be attributed to a few tweets from a minister than the bottleneck effect which has been enormously contributed to by the Ukraine War — well I'm not sure what more I can say to you either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    It is frustrating that all the official talk on this is about how to accommodate this fraudulent influx, not how to curtail it.

    The mobile masses of humanity on the trafficking routes smell blood: an easily exploitable nation of fools.

    Voting for FFG, Labour, Sinn Fein or the Social Democrats in the upcoming elections is an admission that you approve of the current disgrace, and that you approve of mass immigration at any cost.

    I know we do not want this. No action will be taken unless it is made clear to the establishment, through the ballot box, that we do not want this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    It seems that the modular housing being built by the government cost €145k for a four bedroom unit. Significantly cheaper than a 4 bed house. And as you say, it meets planning regulations.

    The government haven't included an exemption for planning permission for refugees and asylum seekers. They have an exemption for Beneficiaries of Temporary Protection i.e Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭star61


    of course it’s cheaper, it is the cost for the unit only. it doesn’t include site cost or ground works or connections or development charges. Exactly as you say - not available as an option for ordinary people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Now that our government has recognised Palestine as a state I guess that can open the flood gates to importing even more migrants, nice we might get cheaper kebabs now 👌



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I know, that tweet gets a lot of blame! I'd love to ask the migrants how many of them read the tweet 😂

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,413 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    I said they meet building regulations, which are different to planning regulations and the wording of the statutory instrument for the exemption is for the housing of those 'seeking international protection'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Damn, I was trying hard to find a silver lining

    Have the government funded NGOs started handing out keffiyeh patterned tents yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Wouldn't be surprised if Israel hope for this. Somehow facilitate more people trying to get here. Palestinians living in other countries for years are now coming here claiming asylum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    From the Liffey river to the Irish Sea, tents as far as you can see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    I'm actually very worried. Here we are with people having nit-picking arguments about modular homes (no disrespect intended really) but there are also serious issues around what we're doing to our society with this influx of refugees and asylum seekers.

    A few days ago a woman in her 80s on holidays in Killarney was mugged in the town and left with head injuries and a broken arm by one of the residents of Tudor Lodge. Now that he's been charged and appeared in court he can be named, Russian surname.

    The Guards in Killarney received a bomb threat on social media. They're looking into it. The guy who's believed to be living in Killarney states:

     “F**k you Irish c**ts, f**k you all trying to act nice but you are f**king s**t.”

    This is me going out to you all. Ireland’s gonna be dead. You are all gonna die, especially here in Killarney" before threatening to “ to drop a bomb on Killarney Garda Station.”

    “I am gonna f**king wheel in there with a bomb on me,” the male states before saying “You think I am joking? You think I don’t have terrorist friends around here,” before the video ends.

    The population of the town of Killarney has been increased by nearly 50% - 10,000 locals, and now more than 4,000 refugees and IPAs. That's just not right.

    If we're letting in so many men surely there must be some violent ones, mentally ill ones and criminals amongst them?? What are we doing? And is it only a matter of time now before we have some terrible incident?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Roderic O’Gorman can get as defensive and arrogant as he likes about the tweets, the fact is that those tweets and the general approach from this Government over the past few years has been somewhat welcoming at a time when Governments across Europe have been going sharply in the other way (especially the UK).

    It’s little wonder that the numbers have gone the way they have with that in mind



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There won't be any modular homes arriving by truck in the middle of the night in ROG's constituency, you can be sure of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭rowantree18


    .....and now we've recognised "the State of Palestine "...... we're such great people aren't we. Let's see how delighted we'll be when a 100 thousand of them descend on us requiring international protection. But sure, it's great to be best boy. And alienate the only democracy in the region. No gay pride marches in Gaza.

    Funny we never protest about Saudi, Iran, China etc...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Was the white paper shared in several different languages?

    Or was that just the text of the tweet?

    Does the white paper promise own door accommodation or just mention it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭ooter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well it's argued that this is one of Putin's tactics to destabilise the west, so it is in the international playbook. I presume that Palestine will not be deemed a safe country and therefore there will be a legal route here as things stand.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She is obese. No harm calling a spade a spade.

    It's the fear of being cancelled, by speaking the truth, that has contributed to this mess. Few politicians, and none in government, have the balls to say that we have too many asylum seekers on these shores and that we cannot accommodate them, never mind any more.

    But if they say that they'll be plastered across the front pages of the newspapers, the liberal left will go bananas on social media, radio presenters will call them out on air.

    Far easier to stay silent, or worse, say we can do more to help.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭gw80


    This is exactly what Israel is at, they are trying to cause such a humanitarian crisis for Palestinians that I would presume Europe will just say "**** it,we will take them"

    They are probably looking at Europe taking in millions of Ukrainians and saying to themselves they can take in a couple of million Palestinians also, and that would rid them of their problem.

    Since the med crisis in 2015 the Israelis or Israelis groups have been helping refugees traverse their way into Europe with information on where and how to get into Europe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    Ah, they are already more than well established here. Leo went out of his way to ensure that ..

    i had to do a double take when he lent out our sacred ground, Croke Park, (the Holy ground !) to Muslims to celebrate their Eid religious festival.

    Whatever we think of our Catholic heritage, our history, the fact that 14 men were shot dead in Croke Park during the War of Independence, I consider Croke park to have a sacred Irish - and specifically Irish - significance. Inviolable.

    It is a patch of ground that has written itself into the Irish soul. Any trespass thereon is an act of Blasphemy.

    Not on the part of the Muslims who used the park (they didn't break in there) but the Irish government (varadker, macentee, o gorman & Co) who basically gave them the keys to the city. It doesnt matter if it were lent out to Jehovahs witnesses, same thing - this is our sacred gound, our holy of holies. Inviolable.

    I always got the impression that leo varadker held the Irish electorate, whom he was elected to serve, with contempt - and barely concealed contempt at that. He seemed like a man hell bent on fcuking the place up. And didnt he do well. He got that fire up and blazing bfore he slunk off into the shadows, mission accomplished.

    I respect the various religions that live (peacefully) among us (if peaceful they can remain) but I find it very difficult to be silent on this matter. I really fear what is coming down the tracks. It does not augur well for the future.

    I feel totally betrayed, shot in the back by this "Irish" (i find it difficult to call them Irish) government.

    End of day, i guess they are just glorified county councillors to their EU bosses but, even allowing for this, surely they must see that what they are doing is unconscionable. In 4 short years, they have managed to kill / pawn off our Irish spirit, our soul.

    How do they live with themselves ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Great to see we have our priorities straight.

    We might have teenagers dying of sepsis in our emergency wards, young couples living at home into their 40s because home-ownership is a pipe dream and scrotes roaming our streets without fear but by God we're top of the class with the woke issue-du-jour.

    Maybe we can encourage a few of those lovely Palestine lads to come over here too - it's not liked they've caused any trouble for neighboring countries who let them in in the past.

    RTE and the Irish Government currently circle-jerking themselves into a froth of righteousness



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Brixton Sticky Owl


    The crux is we are not doing basic background checks in a lot of cases and people are just let roam off into the country and that's that. It's inherently stupid beyond belief.

    It's an open goal for the like of ISIS if they were strategising that way and who have gone disconcertingly quiet.

    For me this is no longer a migration issue, it's a domestic security issue. That doesn't seem to be talked about at all!

    The fact is there are many people arriving on our shores who are so far from our values and beliefs as a country it is stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,817 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I think it's a matter of time until the Palestine people start asking for asylum in Ireland

    What a **** show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Loss of six million to the town, tourism going right down the shitter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Or the white paper that actually mentioned own door accommodation. White papers by departments of foreign governments are high on the reading lists in other countries I'm sure🙄🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Did *you* read the white paper? Or did you just hear about it in media/social media?

    Thats how it goes for most of the world, asylum seekers included. The information gets fed to you via different channels, but the source (white paper & tweets) are the origin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    public order unit in Ballyogan now and taxis, rather than coaches, sneaking asylum seekers in through a side entrance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭tom23


    We’ll be probably told it’s fake news. This is reality of using hotels.

    News flash - Drogheada is down 6 million

    Left / Far Left response - build more houses.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I am Irish - in Sydney. There is a Facebook group called "Irish Around Sydney", with over 120k members. Anything that's of relevance to Irish people in Sydney is posted on there. If the relevant "departments of foreign governments" - in this case the Australian one - published a "white paper" offering something to Irish people out here it would find it's way onto the group pretty quickly and would likely be highlighted on people's feeds when they enter the group.

    I have absolutely no doubt that this ability to share information is not limited to people from Ireland in Sydney and the contents of the tweets/white paper, along with the general vibe of Ireland being a place to go, wasn't a well kept secret since 2021.



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