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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,117 Francie Barrett
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    There's zero chance of that happening.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-41394742.html

    As Ireland becomes more of a melting pot, we need to foster a sense of cohesion while allowing new citizens to preserve their cultural heritage. Actually, the term melting pot arguably brings difficulties because it suggests developing a monoculture, so maybe we should be aiming for a tossed salad with a nice dressing to cover us all.

    It doesn't seem like the people advocating for increased migration want these people to integrate at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 Geert von Instetten
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    I’d imagine if the Dutch Government were intent on facilitating Putin’s interests, the Government’s position on Ukraine would be the primary policy area in which to effect that - as it is, the Dutch Government is pro-Ukraine, reflecting the interests of the Dutch electorate, and the Dutch Government is in favour of limiting immigration, reflecting the interests of the Dutch electorate. If the issue of migration were addressed adequately at a national and EU level, and if the various EU electorates were confident in their Government’s ability to control and limit migration in a manner consistent with the will of the electorate, then the use of migration as a geopolitical tool by malign actors, Putin, Lukashenko, Erdogan etc. would be considerably reduced.

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  • Posts: 295 [Deleted User]


    Humans do not generally integrate if there is enough people similar to themselves. Example..driving through Letterkenny this evening, I passed an all-weather soccer pitch, probably an 8 or 9 aside match taking place. All participants were non-Irish (visual presumption). All fine but it perfectly exemplifies if you have enough of your own you will have segregation. Immigration is all about numbers, you cannot have a big number arrive and not expect them to create their own community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ShamNNspace
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    @sunjava….I lived in Munich in the mid 80s, one of a handful of Irish there at the time, consequently I quickly learned German in evening classes because I had to in order to work , socialised in German bars (there weren't any Irish bars like they have now) I considered myself fairly integrated reading German papers and following their media.…. Forward about 10 years I found myself back in Germany (Berlin this time) there was a bit of a boom that time after the wall coming down, to my shame I fell into the old trap of frequenting Irish/British run bars hanging around in that scene because there were many Irish and British workers there at this time, in Berlin I only entigrated in a peripheral way because of this and it is still a regret to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 john123470
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    Its a given yes. Possibly not even too surprising if all the people on that pitch were from the same family (am i allowed to say this?)

    Then, once enclaves (segragations, as you say) are established, these football teams will, naturally enough want political representation.

    More often than not, their culture and values will differ radically from their host country, hence the impossibility of integration. Then you will have situations, like as currently happening in the UK, where these enclaves will use their number to strongarm local elections.

    I don't know any Irish people (in the majority, currently at least) who would be happy about their culture and values being gradually superceded and eroded by the "guests of the nation," the very people they were kind enough offer shelter while fleeing wars in their own countries.

    Why is it so hard for the pro immigration lobby to accept that Irish people do not want their culture / values diluted and replaced ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 Jeff2
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    I don't think this has been posted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,901 suvigirl
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    Yes an interviewer interested in just ticking boxes, will do just that. An interested more rounded interviewer will take the time to know the person a little better. There are some people who are very good with interview techniques.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 TokTik
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    The interview is to ascertain if their asylum claim is legal and meets the criteria to stay. It’s not to see if they are a nice person.



  • Posts: 3,280 [Deleted User]


    You have no proof of what you are saying, yet you criticise others for the referring to their own personal experiences.

    As I said, if an interviewer goes rogue then the information they acquire in doing so cannot be used as part of the application. In fact, the interviewer may land themselves in trouble, as they are trained in a certain process and cannot just ask whatever they want. The formal process is laid out online and clearly states there are limits to the questions asked, and that only international protection matters are discussed.

    Stop using anecdotal info yourself if you want to criticise others for the same, and stop with the cryptic nonsense of "I know something but I can't say it".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,901 suvigirl
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    You would be surprised at people in general, put at ease, chatted to, how much more open they are to talking about their experiences.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 Will0483
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    The UK is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. Compare it to any African or Asian country which are all mono-ethnic and monocultural. Your viewpoint is so wrong that I don't even want to lower myself to argue with someone on your level.

    I can only hope that you are young enough to educate yourself a bit more about the wider world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 tom23
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    That massive war Raging in Nigeria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 Lotus Flower
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    The question is not in the formal process in the link. Are you sure you’re not confusing with NGOs discuss with the formal process?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 Augme
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    You seem to have forgotten what the topic of our conversation is about. It's about similarities between the UK and Ireland. Not the UK and Africa. UK and Ireland are very much not similar when it comes to the countries attitudes and acceptances to foreign cultures.

    Again, I suggest educating yourself yourself on Brexit and the reasons why the UK left the EU. Then compare it to Ireland's attitude to the EU and freedom of movement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,493 Strazdas
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    Well, in a similar vein, the idea that employees of NGOs are advising asylum seekers how to 'cheat the system' is surely bogus. Anyone doing this would get into serious trouble with their managers - they can only advise people according to whatever guidelines have been issued. Go on a solo run and they would bring a load of trouble on themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ECookie13
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    This is the usual paintbrush tactic when all the factual polls prove otherwise. This post was possibly correct 2/3 years ago, but not anymore and that's a fact, Jack.

    And also the typical one-size-fits-all "immigration" tactic, when it's been covered millions of times how there are big differences in legal, skilled-based immigration and the issue we are in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 Augme
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    If you think the European and local election parties are going to be won by anti immigration parties I've some magic beans to sell you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 john123470
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    Can you really speak for the Irish people ?

    I explained yesterday that as a born and bred Irishman, I despair at what is happening to my country.

    You refused to answer if you were Irish or not. When asked, you said ..

    "I know it will disappoint you, and it disappoints me, but this thread isn't about me. So who I am, where I'm from, what I do and anything else about me is off topic unfortunately."

    And this is precisely what we the Irish people fear most - ie. folk swanning in from elsewhere (purportedly under the guise of fleeing war) telling us how and what to think.

    Give me strength



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,067 whisky_galore
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    The Germans laughed at the fledgling Nazi party one time....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 Augme
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    You certainly don't speak for Irish people given the fact you've been pushing narratives that the vast majority of Irish people don't support. Anti immigration candidates aren't going to sweep the EU and local elections, yet you refuse to accept that.

    The majority of Irish people don't agree with you, accept it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 Will0483
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    I don't need to educate myself. I've forgotten more about modern British history than you'll ever know in your lifetime so give this junior cerl level drivel a rest.

    There are far more immigrants entering the UK both from within and without the EU than before Brexit which hugely undermines your argument that Britain was turning insular and less welcoming to foreigners. Net migration hit over 700,000 people there last year with the majority coming from 3rd world nations.

    Ireland would collapse with a similar sustained rise in immigration. In fact, our reaction to a few hundred tents on mount street and the grand canal shows that we're exactly alike with those British people who voted for Brexit.

    The ordinary men and women of Ireland can't understand why these people are here after bouncing around the EU for years and why we are supposed to feed and house them for an indefinite period with nothing back in return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 Will0483
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    There's going to be almost no mainstream Irish political parties left who are pro-immigration especially of the illegal kind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ECookie13
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    I can accept some Irish people don't agree with everything I believe in, but that does not change what I believe in and know to be factual information by one iota.

    Can you accept the same? Somehow you seem to think you can throw about sweeping statements for the general population.

    Work away, anyone with a brain knows that the statements you are throwing about are only believed by a small minority within Ireland nowadays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 Tenzor07
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    Always interesting that the Woke Left contributors on here try to paint the views of Irish people who are against Illegal immigration as being "Anti-Immigration" when the reality is that many of us work with and are friends with people who have legally emigrated here and contribute to society, and don't just come here expecting everything handed to them.. A typical tactic that puts off most people by fear of being seen as racist…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 Augme
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    Brexit was driven by anti immigration sentiment and was largely based on the fact that the UK didn't have control on their borders. So they voted to leave. Now, what happened after they left doesn't change the fact and reasons they voted to leave. Everyone except the people who voted to leave the EU knew that leaving the EU wouldnt make any difference on the number of asylum seekers they were going to receive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 Viscount Aggro
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    Have they run out of fences, along the canal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 Augme
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    Of course I accept that. I never claimed every Irish person thinks the same as I do. I accept there are a small of Irish people, like @john123470, who believe integration is impossible, who think "these people" (i.e. foreigners) will "will use their number to strongarm local elections."

    As I've said, the upcoming elections will tell where.Irish people stand on those.issues.

    When some says this, it blatantly clear what their position is on immigration. Stop pretending otherwise.

    Why is it so hard for the pro immigration lobby to accept that Irish people do not want their culture / values diluted and replaced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 john123470
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    ^ Nail on the head here. Communicating with this person is a waste of time.

    It does remind one though of the immediate urgency in getting a deportation infrastructure up and running before we are overrun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ECookie13
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    Funnily enough, this tactic did seem to work a year or two ago but not anymore. Anyone who mingles socially with groups will see how much more comfortable people are nowadays about speaking their minds regarding the asylum seekers/refugee situations, in public especially.

    It stinks of a last-resort tactic as they know they're in the minority now and the "BIGOT, RACIST" shouting tactic does not work anymore either. The only place that still seems to work like that is the little reddit Ireland forum, but that place is near satire at this stage and mods just ban anyone who does not fit in the echo chamber.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 Furze99
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    A FG TD called Jennifer Carroll MacNeill has just finished an interview on RTE radio. As far as I could gather (see below) she stated that FG policy is that all the various refugees and asylum seekers arriving in their droves are welcome to stay and work here in the future. Who, why, how and when did this become some sort of official policy. Who did Jennifer Carroll MacNeill and FG consult before they decided to wreck this great change on Irish society? Why do they think they have to right to direct this? The f******** arrogance of them is astounding, far too long in office.

    Not related but why do many of these FG TDs, wannabee TDs, choirboys all speak like motormouths? They're like clones of each other as regards this rapid fire rhetoric. Instead of pacing their points and letting them sink in, they rattle on like a machine gun and you're left thinking, what did they just say? I can only conclude that this is a function of their lack of confidence in what they're saying and/or a desire to obfuscate and bamboozle, deceive the public. Whatever, out with them.



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