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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    We won’t though, because f all are being jailed bar a couple of token efforts

    We’re already well past the point where we could’ve made a statement on this. Our system is fair but firm, do not take the piss or you’ll be gone in an instant. The horse has bolted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    How is this" NGO led ?

    Did you not just ask how it came about ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It doesn't matter in the bigger picture, because even if someone is jailed for the offence, it's not going to be any longer then a few weeks, that they will cost the state money, and then once released, they are straight into the asylum system. It's solves nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    All beaches are subject to that no trespass rule in Ireland afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Do you think the risk of immigration dividing the EU, as suggested by numerous serious political commentators, is ridiculous too?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There's no value at all in taking in increased corporation taxes to then piss it away on propping up a growing immigration industry. As it is, it's like a slush fund and one being used to damage our country, culture and it's citizens.

    Maybe another crash is needed to bring the state to it's senses. Tighten the belt, cut all the fat out of the public services, stop wasting money on non nationals & vanity projects - concentrate on the essentials that the Irish public need.

    Not a message that some here like to read I'm sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    €38 worth of deodorant, razors a week?

    These extras are provided for when in state accommodation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭gerogerigegege




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I believe in concentrating on what our country and our people need.

    I don't agree with buying private housing for asylum seekers at all.

    The rest is a bit too nihilistic for my taste .

    We don't need or want another recession , just a change of direction which is on the cards no matter who is in power at this stage .

    I don't believe you actually do want that really either .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    Heather Humphreys is only now asking the Attorney General what exactly our international obligations are..... Surely we should know what these are long before now.

    Is this simply an optics exercise where the government can shrug their shoulders and say well we tried our best or is it scrambling to get votes because they've finally read the room.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Are they? Food and drinks are available 24/7? Soap, deodorant, razors, everything is supplied? Are you sure….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭nachouser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    You would think so since the government and their supporters have been shouting about "international obligations" since this blew up in their faces. Nothing but a tactic to try suppress any opposition like calling everyone far right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,263 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A reminder that some of these guys going around sticking cameras in people's faces and harassing the public/asylum seekers are unstable and dangerous.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/05/12/independent-councillor-says-she-feared-for-her-life-after-she-and-her-husband-were-attacked/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Some guy on the program called The week in Politics said there is a draw from them to came here and we have to figure it out why.

    It looks to on again on RTE 1 +1 at 00.35. It's near the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,280 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    We do have a lot of islands off our coast, they should be set up to accommodate the immigration issue, keep them all in one place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    So it was Jim o'Callaghan TD who said that

    "obviously Ireland has a pull factor that is drawing people here but we haven't identified what that is but we certainly need to address it."

    That was his words on RTE TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Funny someone mentioned on here Surinder Singh route a few pages back

    I was walking past a Pakistani solicitors office in my town the weekend and seen this particular service advertised on the window

    The more brazen fraudsters we allow in the more services will pop up to facilitate this stuff.

    Whats happening here is crazy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,280 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    How stupid is that man, we can all see what the draw is, except him and our incompetent government. Should have addressed it 20 years ago!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    IMG_5353.jpeg

    Looks like the European elections will be interesting



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Must not be a nice feeling for someone lugging all their plastic bottles down to their nearest supermarket for a few euro in tax returned to them coming home watching brand new hundreds of plastic tents being launched into the back of a skip.

    Even more so when the taxpayer is paying the bill for the tents and the disposal of said tents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It's ok, the Greens will introduce a tent tax or a tent return tax. Some little soundbite to that effect!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Marno21 ,that's a great post, and so very true 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    I refute that and would firmly say it addresses everything in your post comprehensively despite the fact it was already off topic as you say

    I'll remind you the world has different time zones. It is the content you should always address, would focusing on the time be 'othering' or is it a resplendent display that your cross has the hermatic seal of muslin

    If the quality of the response falls below what you would put forth than I expect you shall with ease refute with citation

    You keep repeating that females stop mentally developing at 15, you introduced this, you are repeating this, nobody else.

    Psychology tells us that if one introduces a statement like this it is because they believe it, they are thinking it and they want others to acknowledge it.

    I stated that educational paths diverge at 15 and that a persons logical knowledge gained thereafter would also diverge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    Australia has basically stopped all illegal boat crossings from Vietnam and Indonesia. Indonesia in particular is quite close to both the NT and WA.

    The vast majority of people claiming asylum arrive on student visas from China and Malaysia so are a completely different cohort than what Ireland receives.

    The Government has now won a court case allowing them to indefinitely detain failed asylum seekers who are refusing to cooperate in their deportation.

    Australia is signed up to the same international treaties so Ireland could easily do this as well. Then we wouldn't lose track or ask to self deport. We would be doing our European partners a service if we ensured they were deported back to their country of origin.

    If this policy requires some sort of camp in the Curragh or elsewhere, so be it as their is plenty of space in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    You don't ascribe, that shows the comment was close to the bone and now validated as such

    In regards to othering if you do believe in this as a legitimate concept and not just a baseless tactic introduced to support baseless retorts; then you have just perpetrated same by ascribing myself as right wing and conflating that with 'what is wrong'

    Further you then specifically bring the sex of a commentator into the commentary demonstrating explicit underlying sexist bias

    You should re-familiarise yourself with the definition of misogyny. Criticisms of professionals and organizations is not off limits just because they are led or have a heavy gender bias (of women) but to respond with a vacuous allegation of misogyny just confirms the legitimacy of the initial criticism

    There are many brilliant and insightful women in our society, women far more brilliant and insightful than me, chemists, biologists, doctors, solicitors, actuaries, they solve problems and save lives everyday. The most recent noble laureate in physics was a women who's research may one day save the entire planet

    There is no need for one to demonstrate the commonality of the state and state funded private organisations with any particular ideology (National Socialists), they will do that for themselves

    Same state actors through their actions are currently undermining the integrity of it's citizens labour and housing rights in preference to people with no legal entitlement to citizenry rights



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    The more you provide the more will come. There is an unlimited supply of Asylum seekers. The less we give the less will come. If we gave nothing at all for instance like China and EVERY African country then we would receive none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    You keep repeating that females stop mentally developing at 15, you introduced this, you are repeating this, nobody else.

    I stated that educational paths diverge at 15 and that a persons logical knowledge gained thereafter would also diverge

    No the op poster I replied to introduced this and that you then defended it.

    You also seem to be confused. You say you didn't say it. Then in the same post you say you said it.

    👆🏿🤣🤣🤣

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Of yeah it's all the greens fault.

    If the greens were not a minority partner in this coalition with the F's there would be no refugees.

    Can't believe the green party have done this to us.

    🫵🏿🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    I didn't realise who I was initially replying to, you tend to try vex people on this thread in particular.

    Yes, soaps and sanitary products are provided for, for AS, when in state accommodation.

    But let's get realistic here, who has on lower wage in this country, the means to spend €38 on razors and extras? I'm on a decent wage, but between myself and my partner, we don't have €76 as pocket money for extra food and nice stuff a week.

    Get real.

    Meals are provided, snacks are provided. Fresh fruit is provided. Let's not forget, these people are fleeing wartorn situations, looking for nice extras shouldn't be their priority.



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