Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I had a look through those and some further stats here. It's incredible stuff.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/statistics/

The current estimated cost of Australia's offshore policy is circa 12 billion AUD (I think there are still compensation cases pending).

In total they only ever held 4.2k people on these centers.

That's 2.8 million per person!

Approx 2k have now been returned to Australia.

Slightly less than 1k were successfully deported, or returned 'voluntarily' to origin countries.

Approx 1k were resettled in other countries. This doesn't seem to be included in the above costs. In one case they paid $40million to resettle 7 people to Cambodia!

This approach was the basis of the UK Rwanda policy. The UK are estimating their long term cost at approx 200k per person. I think that's very optimistic, especially looking at these costs and what they've had to pay for the initial cohort.

It's also worth nothing that this approach didn't seem to have any deterrent effect. More boats arrived after it was introduced and was effectively replaced some months later by a push-back approach. The push-back approach does seem to have been effective to some degree, but it's a very different set of circumstances than coast guards face in the Med or English channel.

It's amazing the amount of info she left unactioned. She must have literally sat at her desk clicking the pen all day

Any migrant arriving here from a safe country, or who travelled through several of them to get here at all, is not an asylum seeker. They are an economic migrant looking for the best deal. A true asylum seeker or refugee is looking for somewhere safe from the actual life-threatening danger they are escaping. That doesn't include skipping through half of Europe or Africa in the process.

We can absolutely renegotiate or remove ourselves from previous agreements if the political will and mandate is there. Brexit would be a more recent example, and while the merits of that decision are debatable, the decision was made and the UK is now outside of the EU as was voted for. These agreements are not suicide pacts or written in stone, inviolable until the end of time.

You can keep downplaying the impact if you wish but if we have people sleeping on tents on the streets it's too many! As for the feelings of the majority - I'm sure you're well aware of the many polls over the last few months where an ever increasing majority are expressing not just concern, but dissatisfaction over this current approach.

You can see the sort of Civil unrest the migrant situation is causing in the UK, this is a video of the far-left battling Police trying to move migrants to Dorset from London.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/02/london-protesters-block-coach-peckham-asylum-seekers-bibby-stockholm

If they do get it started it might push people to Ireland and other European countries. But so far we only have anecdotal evidence. There's been several posts here from newspapers with interviews where people are saying they are deterred. I've seen similar interviews where people say they're going to the UK regardless, one guy even said if deported he'd simply make his way back to the UK and try again.

I find that 200k future projected cost very optimistic. If it starts to look successful Rwanda have the Tories over a barrel and I'm sure will renegotiate accordingly. It's a business enterprise for them.

Actually yes, it is really that much.

Twice today, I've made a reply to one of them and then deleted before posting. Waste of time engaging with those of bad faith.

Nobody's being 'imported'.

People are not being deported if they're refused, why are you saying otherwise

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/24/fewer-than-100-deportations-of-those-refused-refugee-status-since-start-of-2023-mcentee/

Vivienne ClarkeWed Apr 24 2024 - 14:40

Fewer than 100 of the 7,300 people refused refugee status since the beginning of 2023 have been deported, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee has said.

Wow just wow,

Had to double check my coffee wasn't laced after reading that first. Huge obsession with race there "white"…
No matter big or small, recent or ancient a war doesn't discriminate with race.
War is universal, unfortunately not the case for intelligence!

Recently the policy has been to focus on deporting people who committed crimes. Personally I think that's acceptable given the amount of AGS involvement required in forced deportations especially with current shortages and more pressing security issues.

Previously when we actively tried to mass deport people, I don't have exact figures, but I believe we only deported about 25% due to the inherent difficulties involved, and the cost was significant.

Why are we giving anyone that just shows up here €455 a month?