Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I completely agree, we look really stupid by saying that there would be emergency legislation without getting UK agreement first that they would take them back. I don't know what she was thinking. Like a rabbit in the headlights.

Full tinfoil hat: I'm convinced the social media companies label them in a certain way and give them a different worldview via the algorithms. That came out in a post Dublin riots hearing I think it was when one of the social media companies admitted politicians are labled differently than normal people. It blew my mind thinking about that and the danger of having such capabilities.

In the nineties, friends and I worked on the continent and lived in a tent during the summer. We had to pay to stay on the campsite.

Yes it's a bit of a conundrum. Think Harris hasn't quite figured it out yet we have here....don't think Harris quite understands that any 'returns' legislation is meaningless unless the UK agrees to play along with it.....which ain't going to happen without concessions re 'returns' to France etc.

Harris is finding out that being Taoiseach has a bit more to it than a few Tik Tok videos :)

To be fair, all of this has come to the fore only this week. We only heard for the first time a few days ago (from McEntee at a committee hearing) that 80% of asylum seekers are coming through NI. So this is all very new and our own Government has hardly had any time to react or to formulate policy around it.

From the Irish Times

It comes as Ms McEntee puts the finishing touches to legislation that will allow returns of asylum seekers who have come across the Border. Ireland will begin sending asylum seekers back to the UK immediately after emergency legislation is passed enabling returns to re-start, under the plans.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/29/ireland-to-begin-sending-asylum-seekers-back-to-uk-once-emergency-legislation-is-passed/

By that logic, the UK could bring in emergency legislation to return the asylum seekers to France. I think the French would have a good laugh at that, likewise the British - at the Irish government attempts. I think the Irish government are just looking for a scapegoat now that the elections are coming up. They know they can't enact that legislation without agreement from the UK, and I'm not convinced that they want to return these asylum seekers. It's all for show, McEntee has barely returned any asylum seekers to EU countries that agreed to take them back. They are just trying to make it seem like they are working on behalf of the Irish voter, but in reality they are not, they're still packing the country with asylum seekers.

Are you sure there isn't a bilateral agreement between the UK and Ireland already? The Times mentions returns "re-starting"

But Rwanda may be a red herring. It's quite possible that the phenomenon of asylum seekers coming through NI would have happened anyway. The Rwanda 'deterrent' thing seems hard to believe….Channel crossings are actually up this year on last.

British Home Secretary bricked it and has pulled out of meeting with the formidable Helen.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/british-home-secretary-pulls-out-of-meeting-with-helen-mcentee-amid-brewing-row-with-eu-over-immigration/a803669091.html

Hang on a second.

We were told we were being "culturally enriched" by mass immigration. That it made our boring, mediocre country vibrant and diverse. Look at all the lovely food! Only racists don't appreciate this.

We were told taking in masses of Asylum Seekers was the right thing to do and showed us as good people. Only bad people were against this. They are racists!

We were told Ireland isn't full. We have plenty money and space for all who want to come here. The government just needs to organise things a bit better. It was Far Right and racist propaganda to suggest otherwise.

Why are the government now fighting (in as much as moral and intellectual weaklings like McEntee and Harris can fight anything) to send these beautiful, diverse people back?

I am confused.

Are they racist and Far Right now too?

Surely our senior civil servants should have seen this happening when the British first announced the Rwanda idea........looks to me that the British had this planned all along to get at the French.

There is just way too much negative talk about refugees and borders all over the world …. spread by the likes of Donald Trump who cause the problems that cause the refugees in the first place … war and sanctions …

It is EASY to spread misinfo online …. and to stoke far right rubbish like the great reset and the great replacement theory and other such neo-nazi drivel …. all designed to scare people …. it is sad people believe in all this and fall into the rabbithole …

Funny thing in America is the very individuals who are anti-refugee are the very ones who are pro war and pro sanctions …. they do not realise the connection between their evil beliefs ….

Sure it doesn’t matter what the civil servants think as demonstrated time and again:

internal DOJ survey - most flagged issues with the new speak definition of family causing them issues in their job before referendum. The Gov time and time again said it would cause issues here.

And the best example - the AG advice being totally suppressed on same issue.

The meeting is cancelled due to a “diary clash” on Cleverly’s side. The official line is saying it’s postponed but no new date was pencilled in.