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Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    There are likely to be more managers available come mid-July between managers who leave at the end of the club season and those who leave after the Euros.

    Right now, they can't find anyone they deem suitable. They need to wait for more people to become available. They have set out their criteria and, for now, seem to be keen to stick to it. Better that than getting desperate and giving the job to whoever because some people are impatient.

    It would be ideal to have someone in place for the next set of friendlies and have a chance to get some idea of the players before September but it is not the be-all and end-all.

    It isn't a good look but anyone they hire now is going to be a reaction to bad press. They should take their time if they feel that's the way to get the right candidate. They should also improve their communication and stop setting themselves up to fail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    They can take their time and appoint someone for June. They have the rest of April and May to find a decent manager. They’ve been spending since last November and before that because everyone knew Stephen Kenny was gone at the end of the last campaign looking for a manager. It’s hardly a rushed job. I don’t believe they’ll have better candidates at the end of the Euros. Wouldn’t surprise me if they end up appointing O’Shea at the end of August that’s if he doesn’t tell them to stick it when they get around to asking him to continue to caretake. I think he should say to them if you want me to continue give me a contract. At this stage they may not get anyone better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Evidently, the FAI think they can get someone better.

    To give an example: Sagnol was a name being heavily linked. If he decides to quit Georgia after the tournament, he'd be a decent candidate. Managing a smaller country and recent experience in a major tournament. If he were available, given he has been linked to us and the profile, would it not be worth waiting around?

    This is probably one of the worst times of the year to be looking for a manager. Club teams are very unlikely to be sacking anyone and international teams are preparing for a tournament or the next campaign. Between the end of the season and the Euros, there will be more out of work candidates in July. Especially considering the FAI's money woes, there is the potential to get someone who is currently unavailable. I don't see any reason not to wait around for a potentially larger pool of candidates just because of some end of season friendlies.

    I'm not dismissing their importance and the obvious benefits for the new manager to be in place for them. However, if we just wait a bit longer, there'll be more candidates available. Given the clear lack of candidates currently, it makes perfect sense to wait until more become available and I think getting a better calibre of candidate trumps two friendlies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Theyre stealing a very decent living is what they're doing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    It's the "could become available" bit that I would take issue with. All the FAIs preferred candidates have turned it down (Carsley,Poyet and Barry).

    Who are we hoping becomes available? Not a decent Championship manager because we won't get them. We don't want the likes of Bruce, Lennon and Duff who would take it.

    Is the hope Sagnol has a stinker of a Euros with Georgia and then we see if he fancies it? Because if Georgia have a strong showing he'll move out of our orbit.

    It's easy to see why the FAI went years without a main sponsor for the international team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,402 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Poyet wasn't a preferred target and talks with him were talking for the sake of talking after Sagnol's stint with Georgia got extended for a couple of months. After his comments about African players they might as well cross him off the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,896 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    The comments from a decade ago? Think that was all cleared up and clarified back then, after the comments were misinterpreted, with him talking about players coming from some African leagues being good physically and technically, but hadn't been trained tactically to the level needed in the top leagues (same could perhaps be said of a lot of our own academies). The way he phrased it initially was dumb, but the explanation after seems plausible enough, and it doesn't seem to have hung around him too much over the last 10 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Luckily we don't have any African players;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jonnreeks


    The FAI's problem is that nobody wants the job!

    There are so many other options out there for potential candidates to go for they are waiting for something more promising.

    It's looking like John O'Shea is available again as a temporary manager to see the team and any friendly fixtures through for 2024. The FAI know he will jump at the option, so they will plough along hoping someone else takes a gamble on the Ireland position before giving it to O'Shea.

    😕



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,625 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The chief operating officer of the FAI, who has been in that role for the last 2 years, has been appointed interim CEO.

    Great stuff from the FAI, an independent and fresh voice/face....oh wait!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,896 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    That's fine, and quite normal as an interim. Kinda by default an interim in that position HAS to be someone who's already in the organisation, so the day to day can keep going without interruption, while you search for the permanent replacement. Bringing in an outsider as interim would be insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭kowloonkev




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,896 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    An in-house interim football manager is usually the way to go alright, but an outsider in that context isn’t even the end of the world really I think, in contrast to something like a CEO position.

    In a corporate setting, bringing in an interim CEO from outside defeats the purpose entirely as it would take months for an outsider to get even remotely up to speed on all the processes, relationships, facilities, accounting mechanisms etc etc. An in-house interim appointment makes total sense while they recruit the permanent replacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I thought they’d eventually just give it to O’Shea given they had nobody else and he is reasonably popular. If only just to end the circus.

    But at a certain point, Canham had to choose between just appointing O’Shea or making a public apology for the drawn out process and the nonsense he spouted - and he opted for the apology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,636 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    As did Steve Bruce.

    The issue here is the current FAI want a Senior Manager willing to spend a few days a month working as a youth development officer. And the OTB media consensus seems to have brainwashed loads of people into thinking this is a fair and normal requirement for the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    If the FAI's insistence on these alleged conditions is impeding an appointment then they should consider ditching them.

    But Jesus Christ, do you have a source for that waffle in the latter part of your post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,402 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Unless this is old news that he's reporting but has been spoken to twice by the FAI and has now left his job in Qatar. Would be an underwhelming appointment if it comes about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jonnreeks


    Only problem there, certain board members did'nt want Lennon!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭McFly85


    The idea that the senior coach should have a say in youth matters to any great extent is a strange choice.

    I think it’s fair to want to ensure that the lines between the underage teams and the senior team to remain open, and for the new manager to monitor the youth players for any potential call up, instead of going back to the situation we’ve had where there was practically no transition between youth and senior and players were being picked purely based on minutes being played - or like Trap where he essentially had his favourites and that was it.

    But to expect a national manager to be a sort of DoF for the association at the same time, especially when it’s not a hugely desirable job or comparatively well paid. If that’s a requirement it should be ditched immediately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭YTM


    We already have a DOF so doubt the FAI are wanting their new manager to be a coach/DOF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,402 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Would be great to know exactly what conditions the FAI are placing on the job. More teams are now placing extra criteria on managers. Andersson turned down Latvia because of it.

    Big teams are doing it because the FAI are more or less just copying what the FA are doing. Believe Neville said something about Hodgson not being open to it when Ashworth started making changes but Southgate was all for it when he got the job.

    Think we've brought so many younger players through in the last couple of years that even a manager who'd solely concentrate on just the seniors isn't the worst thing. Offer a two year contract that would automatically be renewed if certain goals are met.

    If it's not automatically renewed then it gives the FAI scope to introduce some extra criteria in two years when things improve a little. I was happyish when Mick got the job in 2018. Think after MON we needed someone to steady the ship somewhat after all the off the field stuff.

    Finishing second in the upcoming NL should be enough to guarantee us as second seeds in qualification. Truly believe a Kenny less Ireland could take 8pts from the games against Greece and Finland in the NL.

    A bit of short term thinking could easily improve things long term for us. If the short term thinking doesn't work out the way I'm thinking then things should improve still as 2023 was our worst year ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,402 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    I wouldn't say it's a strange choice to want your senior manager to have input into youth matters. Basically the goal is developing players for the senior team. If say the next manager wants his FBs to bring pace and athleticism then senior manager should be allowed have talks with the underage coaches about what FBs meet the criteria for his needs and maybe fast track certain players in the youth teams or certain players should be prioritised.

    Example: new manager could go to Crawford and say if Adaramola is fit to play then he should be prioritised at LB over Roughan because Adaramola fits my system for the seniors better than Roughan who plays CB at club level.

    Another example is Bosun Lawal. Senior manager should be allowed go to Crawford and say Bosun Lawal should play in midfield and not CB for the U21s because he feels that Lawal would offer more to us at senior level playing CM than CB. Now do think this can also be done by the senior manager having a go-between him and youth coaches.

    Canham is DOF so surely it can be his job to report stuff to the senior manager and get some feedback from senior manager to pass back onto the youth coaches. Or John Morling if he's open to coming back if they move Canham on or even if they don't.

    Some said a player development role would be good for Kenny but can the FAI afford a DOF and a youth development coach or technical director that oversees all the youth teams and liaisons with the senior manager . If they can then that would be a great gig for Morling and actually surprised Canham got the DOF job ahead of Morling. Always wonder if that was Hills call to have more allies working with him at the FAI. New interim manager that is COO is another ex FA guy.

    Maybe this is why the FAI are wanting the new manager to have a base in Ireland so these talks can happen with all coaches in the room at once. Now if they want the new manager based in Dublin fulltime then that's stupid but if they want the senior manager to be in Dublin for a few days once a month that's acceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Nothing like what the FAI are looking for. They wanted a "head coach" which essentially means they wanted a senior men's international manager and a head coach over the youth teams. They wanted the new manager to have a hands on role coaching of the underage youth international teams and have an input in the LOI youth set up as well.

    It's a role in itself, and could be called "head of youth development" or something along those lines and has a limited amount to do with the senior men's job. Lumping it in with the senior men's job was a cost saving measure. They seem to have thrown the whole head coach thing out the window, purely by the fact they spoke with Poyet who wouldn't meet any of those requirements.

    Post edited by topmanamillion on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,896 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    ”We have a young team with a lot of potential so we want someone on the pitch with them, helping them to get better and help improve our results ultimately" - Hill in February

    You post reads like you interpret that as saying he should be out on the pitch with the kids teams, when i'm pretty positive that comment actually refers to be being out on the pitch as a hands-on coach for the senior team - as opposed to the types of managers who leave their staff take training. They've made that point very clear a number of times, repeatedly specifying that distinction between 'manager' and 'coach'.

    <edit> I see you've now just deleted that quote from your post. I don't think they want someone anywhere near as involved in active youth coaching as you suggest. I think they want this person to have a say in the structure - the type of system they play etc - but not an ongoing active involvement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭YTM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭franglan


    FAI desperately hoping we gets something out of the games in June so they can appoint Sheasy with international experience full time. Mightn't even need results at this point for him to be announced as permanent manager two weeks before the September England game... Would have loved it John had told them to shove it for June. Our Mark coming out in his update video last week indicating that they hadn't even spoken to John about taking on the June fixtures was outstanding really. The local corner shop probably has a roster done out 3 months in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    It's O'Shea or Lennon - take your pick.

    Wouldn't suprise me if Kerr flounced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,402 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Hope England's U21s were busy and that the FAI haven't asked to play the U20s instead to avoid playing against a Lee Carsley team.

    If JOS was gonna get the job full-time he would have gotten it by now imo. Hungary and Portugal will be going through the motions in Junes games because they've got more important things to worry about. Could win both games 1-0 and shouldn't really change a thing.

    Only thing more meaningless than March friendlies before a tournament is friendlies in June. We play Portugal a week before their opening game. They'll give less **** than Belgium did in March as their main worry will be pre-tournament injuries. Once again begs the question why the FAI left Stephen Kenny see out the last qualifiers and not appoint an interim mid qualifiers.



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