The crusade against the motorist continues...

L1011 · 09-04-2024 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997607#Comment_121997607

The M50 is not, generally, an obvious relief option for the Quays; with the exception of people deciding to spend ~15 on using the Westlink and Port Tunnel to avoid them at peak hours.

yourdeadwright · 09-04-2024 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997628#Comment_121997628

Its not great its pants & doesn't show up half the time

Most days your left soaking wet waiting on it, the country a hell hole ,hanging around town waiting on a bus every miserable day is enough to kill a young lion , Imagine being a poor ducker who needs to get two of them

donaghs · 09-04-2024 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996708#Comment_121996708

Without proper policing, “pedestrian friendly” areas like Henry Street and now Capel st can be overtaken by “anti-social elements”.

Cars provide a type of “passive supervision”. You can find references to the importance of passive supervision in all our local authority planning docs, eg https://www.dublincity.ie/dublin-city-parks-strategy/4-resources-and-services/413-planning-and-development-management but it doesn’t seem to be a consideration when pedestrianising streets in Dublin with dodgy characters nearby .

Clo-Clo · 09-04-2024 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997645#Comment_121997645

We have spent years pushing more cars, has it made the city better or worse?

CramCycle · 09-04-2024 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997029#Comment_121997029

To be fair, most of the people I know working near the city centre earning in excess of this, usually get public transport. Some drive in to the outskirts but most either hop in a bus or pull a bike out of the boot, with a few goign for the DART. That isn't a huge pool but this idea that it will only leave roads to the rich is silly nonsense. As PT becomes quicker, bus numbers expand, with the exception of those born to money, most of those who earned it will realise, if they haven't already that being able to plan your day on your commute, getting in quicker and saving money are good ideas.

donaghs · 09-04-2024 04:01PM

very funny. You could learn a lesson having to take care of a sick child, unless your carelessness matches your post.

Not every sick child needs an ambulance, otherwise youre hogging a vital resource. on that point, with ambulance waiting times, the safer option is sometimes to drive straight to the hospital.

Clo-Clo · 09-04-2024 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997642#Comment_121997642

Well you could just use the live app which tells you when the bus is coming like people who use the bus do?

L1011 · 09-04-2024 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997662#Comment_121997662

The current normal ways to drive from Ringsend to St James's are still going to be there, you know (Canal or SCR)

donaghs · 09-04-2024 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997660#Comment_121997660

You’re having a different conversation. I’m not saying “more cars”. I’m saying we need better planning before pedestrianising . And there should still be an option to drive to the city, for the sake of the survival of our inner cities.

Furze99 · 09-04-2024 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997492#Comment_121997492

Funny the way people see one thing and not another when it suits their agendas. Buses (or trucks) and cyclists inherently do not mix well. They have different masses, travelling speeds and visibility. I'm sure you have seen a standard traffic junction in the city, and whilst the lights are red, the bikes sidle up on the inside of buses, trucks, cars whatever and line up at the front. Where they take off en masse, some faster than others and block the bus lane until they thin out. The poor bus driver can't just squash them, so has to hang back, then take the opportunity, then pull in again and so on it goes.

So take the cyclists out of the lanes as well as the taxis and things will move smoother.

Clo-Clo · 09-04-2024 04:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997637#Comment_121997637

We have Dart and trains in Dublin already, more Dart getting pushed out but majority of people don't use

We have a bus system with a plan for bus corridors to get people into town quickly but that does depend on free bus lanes which is impossible at the moment because they are overloaded at peak times with cars. We don't have enough garda to police the bus lanes either because neraly the entire force would be required to stand at them stopping people.

Bus lane enforcement will be put in via cameras which should help but again this is two sections and people are crying about it. The majority you will find never drive into Dublin during the week and majority have no idea what public transport is like or have ever used it

Clo-Clo · 09-04-2024 04:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997679#Comment_121997679

Why would the inner city not survive without cars?

CramCycle · 09-04-2024 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997671#Comment_121997671

Don't you be clogging up this rant with facts, I am sure they would be driving Pierce St., then through the bus only section which has been in operation for ages now and straight to James, so this will in fact, not affect this already illegal route. In fact it won't even make it more illegal, it literally won't do anything to it at all.

Viscount Aggro · 09-04-2024 04:09PM

One of the biggest objectors is Stanberry investments. Look them up... A very wealthy family behind it.

Podge_irl · 09-04-2024 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997645#Comment_121997645

Passive supervision by drivers is unbelieveable nonsense. What anti-social behaviour that takes place in front of people walking nearby is going to be curbed by people completely isolated form the world speeding past.

francois · 09-04-2024 04:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997697#Comment_121997697

Ah, the car park people!

Kurooi · 09-04-2024 04:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997097#Comment_121997097

I see that reading comprehension is slipping

Irish Aris · 09-04-2024 04:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997683#Comment_121997683

Dart definitely an option. I think the concerns about safety may discourage people using it (I'm thinking the Howth-Bray line here), but this could be easily addressed by the people in charge.

I also agree with your comment about policing the bus lanes. Same in Athens + other measures (there used to be one where you could only access the City center on odd or even dates, depending on the last number of your license plate). In a city like Dublin where streets are mostly narrow, lt could cause terrible traffic.

All these though don't take away the fact that relying on buses as the main means of transport isn't ideal. IMO the best way is to have a couple of metro lines servicing the city center - which then allows for some bus routes to not even have to go to city center, they just need to connect to the metro lines.

Having in mind though how long it would take to build a metro in Dublin, this is all theoretical at best, wishful thinking at worse. And based on this "low hanging fruit" solution proposed here, I reckon we will never see a metro in Dublin - not any time soon anyway.

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2024 04:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997719#Comment_121997719

i know it's crazy that people think traffic is the solution to anti social problems. anyway pedestrianised areas such as henry and grafton and capel street are still busy with people going about their business all the time regardless of whether a few drunks have more room to stumble around because there are no cars.

there's always a correlation between people who think dublin is the most dangerous city in the world and those who are against any measure of restricting cars for some reason.

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2024 04:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997751#Comment_121997751

safety on the dart discourages people from using it? i've never met anyone who mentioned anything to do with safety on the dart, my parents in their 70s use it ffs. it's one of the more pleasant and quiet ways to get around dublin.

Steviemak7 · 09-04-2024 04:26PM

Hundreds of thousands of car journeys are made into and within the city every day. All of these journeys will still be permitted. I would estimate significantly less than 1% of those journeys will pass through the 2 quays that are being restricted to public transport. If you are one of those drivers routes through the city are still available.

Irish Aris · 09-04-2024 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997756#Comment_121997756

There have been a few incidents in the Howth Bray line - and if I recall correctly one incident where a woman was attacked in a dart station by a group of youngsters.

Anyway, off topic I guess, I should probably haven't made the comment at all 🙂

magicbastarder · 09-04-2024 04:33PM

according to a quick google, 270 private cars use bachelors walk every hour during morning rush hour; the vast majority probably with a single occupant. that's less than a single luas tram in terms of people carrying.

Clo-Clo · 09-04-2024 04:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997771#Comment_121997771

"A few incidents" is minor in comparison to the number of accidents daily in cars.

The number of incidents yearly on public transport is limited and normally high profile. The number of accidents daily is a lot higher and people are so used to it you don't get the same coverage.

L1011 · 09-04-2024 04:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997777#Comment_121997777

It's either a massive statistical anomaly that nearly every one of those drivers pops up to object to it being closed off; or the vast majority of people against the change aren't actually affected at all.

I do wonder which…

(I'm actually surprised it is even as high as 270 - only a few cars every few minutes are let through the bus priority, but plenty of others do just go in the bus lane due to zero enforcement)