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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Exactly this!!! Nice yes men tend to achieve bugger all!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    give the staff bonus points for doing things like getting your order wrong, or adding a hidden 60 cent charge to your meal when buying a breakfast with a fizzy drink. bonus points if you keep them waiting long enough or give a random salt pack with breakfasts which make no sense.

    i seriously wanna know who even eats salt with pancakes, or sausage, or oaths.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    in my opinion its not that "only the aweful people only have what it takes to clean up the mess", but rather they don't care what anyone else thinks of them for cleaning up the mess. And also that they're not held back by morals or ethics, or with saving face.

    i admit i could be wrong though

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭djan


    Doing things that are perceived as bad in isolation to achieve good doesn't necessarily make someone a bad person. The difficulty come in balancing ethics and morals with efficiency and rationality. Thatcher did some bad things but it's often forgotten the work she did to get the UK back on its feet and not succumb to the pitchfork brigade.

    As humans we like to see ourselves above animalistic instincts of making sure of our prosperity but end of the day vast majority of sane people only care about themselves and the few people close to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It kind of does. Even getting to that position that gives you the opportunity to do bad things for the greater good requires a, let's say, not so good person.

    Let's go full Godwin: say you are given the opportunity to go back in time, and either kill baby Hitler, or place him with another family to give him a different life hoping he doesn't end up doing what he did. A bad person doing evil for the greater good will do the former (because it takes a bad person to kill a child no mater what), a good person would do the later and risk changing nothing (because in my opinion he was born this way).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭djan


    I guess it depends on what we view to be a "good" person. I strongly disagree with the argument that high-end decision makers are inherently bad people because they sometimes have to make tough decisions or done to some, bad things.

    Regarding your Godwin proposal, if we knew that eliminating baby Hitler would stop WW2, I would say that someone who wouldn't kill him would be a bad person even if it's a baby. While I understand the argument for otherwise, it seems absolutely unfathomable to not sacrifice 1 for millions of lives.

    If I am reading between the lines correctly and assuming you would want to be a good person, you would not take the opportunity to prevent WW2 just because killing a baby is bad (absolutely is in general but not always such as presented here)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Not forgetting Professor Kerstin May, President of the University of Limerick who recently sent a one line note to the Chairman of the PAC explaining that her dog had eaten her homework and her toe was sore so she wouldn't be able to attend the PAC meeting to discuss how she managed to overspend €5.2m of taxpayers' funds when buying 20 houses for student accommodation.

    (UL paid more than €11 million for 20 homes at Rhebogue, 3km from the campus and Prof Mey has acknowledged that the university “paid significantly above market price” for reasons that remain unclear.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    that Itv manipulates their game shows since the ‘ cost of living crisis ‘ . Tipping point is hardly ever won , the top offers on The chase are a bit miserable compared to a few years ago .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I view as a good person someone who won't do evil, any kind of evil, including some sort of smaller evil in order to prevent a larger evil. But someone who would stop at nothing in order to prevent evil, including doing some evil themselves, are not necessarily evil, but they aren't good either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    this is a really good one, i love the conundrum and time travel concept, but alas i must disagree, i have to.

    i believe if an evil person was placed in that situation you mentioned, if they really was evil they would intentionally allow hitler to go free and without changing anything. Infact they may even support him or make secret documents which warn him of certain events that transpire (using their knowledge from the future to help hitler evade losing ww2).

    i like time travel related opinion pieces and questions like this, it provides good food for through. Is there any threads or games like that on these forums? it's something i'd imagine enjoying partaking in, even if only opinion based or speculative its quite fun i gotta say

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    in that situation, to "not get the baby" would be a selfish decision based on emotions and not wanting to feel bad emotionally for doing something so easy. its one of those cases where the ends actually do justify the means and not just a phrase thrown around as a justified excuse like it usually is.

    think of it this way, you have a chance to save million of lives, by not allowing 1 life to remove many others. 1 vs millions. i think its fair to say that millions of lives should not be lost and would be unfair to be lost just because of how a person might feel emotionally after going back in time and stopping 1 life from ruining others

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    That mindbending decision Sarah Connor has to make in Terminator 2 comes to mind. If you murder Hitler as a baby you are very clearly murdering an innocent baby as the baby has done nothing wrong yet. You'd be doing the right thing but there would be something wrong with you if you could easily forget about the fact that you murdered a baby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 anoner


    Of course you're making a massive mistake now

    If he did no good from the time he was a baby someone else would have stopped him

    You would let him rebuild and bring the prosperity to Germany that he did, allow the millions of lives he saved through this prosperity to stand, just quietly knock him off as he slept before he went full nutter

    Interestingly I suggested a contrarian view in a different thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i highly disagree with the "an innocent baby that has done nothing yet" thing, because if you went back in time then having knowledge of what the baby does later in life, then he has already done those things. it became a matter of when he'll do these things, and not if. But preventing that possibility can same millions of lives.

    if anything a person should feel much worse for allowing it to happen based on emotional feelings of not wanting to deal with the problem, when it was in their power to prevent it.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭djan


    Interesting, I'd be of the opposite in that someone who isn't willing to do a bit of something bad for the greater good leans more towards being a bad person. Now this would depend on circumstance but at the end, if someone wouldn't take out 10 people to save all of humanity is a bad person to me. If they do, then they've just saved humanity and surely that's a pretty good reason to consider someone a good person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You're tieing yourselves in knots trying to justify bad behaviour. Most of the big actors in history were just trying to win and maintain power. They probably didn't give a shyte about the rights and wrongs of what they did

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    Thats very true actually. it's blunt but its 100% true. alot of things people have done in history is often later sugar coated as to why they've done those things, but more often than not the excuses given were conjured up for puplic relations reasons or some other crap. They put words in other peoples mouths alot and give false explanations for reasons of things that never even came into said persons head. Happens alot.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I'm sorry I can't recall the title at the moment but I read a brilliant book by Stephen Fry a while back where someone killed baby Hitler (or he never existed, one of the two) and basically the same thing happened, but worse as the next guy was even more of a monster.

    Interesting premise!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    interesting, thanks for letting me know. i'll keep an eye out for that book. Also the uk tv show "misfits" had an episode involving someone with the intention of going back in time to get him (hitler not stephen fry lol), not as a baby but somepoint before or near around the start of ww2. i wont spoil it for anyone reading, but all i'll say it could be portrayed by some as a mistake or a stupid thing but with good intentions.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    All this makes me want to watch Predestination again.



  • Posts: 4,214 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    reminds me of that Tales Of The Unexpected episode Genesis & Catastrophe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭PP Lee


    Didn’t she also pay way over the odds for the old Dunnes Stores site near Sarsfield Bridge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Tork


    For the day that's in it. Nirvana is an over-rated band. For every listenable song, you have to trawl through half a dozen tracks of unlistenable noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    Nirvana's biggest sin was paving the way for the Foo fighters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    These are my automatic assumptions of various people.

    People with head/facial tattoos: well they definitely don't work as a teacher or doctor anyway.

    People with hair dyed green/blue/pink: precious, probably no work ethic in them at all.

    Lads who wear matching tracksuit bottoms and tops: wannabe criminal (bonus points when they kit their toddler out in same).

    Single women over the age of 35 with designer clothes and more than one dog (usually of the narky breed): unstable and incapable of intimate human connections.

    Single men who regularly travel alone to SE Asia: nefarious **** going on.

    Social media 'influencers': aren't going to have a status up early in the morning anyway.

    Macra na Feirme members: old-fashioned simple folk.

    Adults still REALLY into Harry Potter,comics etc: grow up ta feck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    Gillian Anderson is a rubbish actress



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    UL did, but that was before Mey was appointed President. Her appointment came after a "worldwide search" (I assume that Google was used!) and her key role was clean up the shop! A role that she has completely failed to perform.

    Given that she's only 60, I suspect that her current bout of (paid) sick leave may run for a number of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Women should be allowed on commentary or work as a presenter for mens sports.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    that the C.i,A were complicate in JFKs assassination . Don’t kill me , I know nothing



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