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Leo Varadkar resigns as Taoiseach

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭creedp


    What jobs would no Irish parent accept for their children? Chimney boys?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I'm interested in results, not grandstanding and spin.

    RTE affair... Immigration mess... Crime levels and Garda discontent and retirements... Just to name 3.

    Those "results" speak for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    That would actually be a great TV program.

    Stop 100 random people on the street and ask 'what do you think a government minister does?'

    Then show the footage of what they actually do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Haughey although a crook is leagues above the wet blanket that is Simon Harris. In terms of intelligence and political aptitude it's like a premiership player and a Non League player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Are we really saying we don't care if our elected officials are crooks, as long as they're charismatic?

    I will go with the majority opinion on this one. At least I might get a chance at a bunga bunga party invite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Not really, the housing crisis has been getting worse since 2016. While I agree it can't be fixed over night, 8 years is long enough to come up with a coherent plan to address it.

    What have we got?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Not at all just saying I understand why he got elected. He undeniably had charisma and political aptitude. Harris appears to possess neither.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Well, he clearly has political aptitude - you don't get to rise to the top of the political ladder without it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    The government (no matter who it is, FFG, SF, whoever) should concentrate on fixing the system. Planning, Appeals, Zoning, Tax policy. Half the problem is that the people don't want this changed - they don't want new stuff built near them and will crucify any politician who allows it to happen.

    Let's not pretend that the government could or even should be in the business of building houses. If you think they should be, I have a half-finished Childrens Hospital, a non-existent Dublin Metro and many other spectacular failures to show you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Luanda is a notoriously expensive town so maybe we do have something in common. If you close your eyes and don't think about it too much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    hildegarde naughtons hair is now waffling on prime time🥴



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,770 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Thats not what we are saying at all.

    All officials should be honest above all but thats often not the case in politics.

    "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible.” Frank Herbert

    Im not really a fan of Haughey but he was an able and shrewd operator, and alot of his policies were well ahead of their time and shaped the country as we know it.

    If its a choice between him and school boy Harris, its like comparing Einstein to a caveman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭amacca


    Yeah such shite...they must all do intensive training on how to talk absolute ballcockery at a rate of knots in orther to further ones own career


    This is the kind of nonsense we seem to reward as a species...dho has the greatest set of brass balls and loves displaying them at every opportunity


    Go team!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭notwhoyouthink


    What will happen to Simon Coveney?

    Will there be a cabinet reshuffle so to speak?

    These are all young politicians. What will they do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    You are missing the point that an FFG govt is still the most likley outcome after the general election.

    There is no point in FF pushing for a GE now, unless they want to saddle up with SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭NSAman


    The current leaders have created none of these, they inherited this from the EEC. They currently try to impinge on the export markets and create disincentives to control the wealth that people make, to create taxes for personal vanity projects.

    Sorry but are you trying to tell me that current politicians have ANY leadership abilities (especially in Ireland) to create wealth? Please explain that one.

    i create wealth. For countries, for staff and also for communities. Name one politician that actually creates wealth in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Coveney could be Tánaiste and Harris Taoiseach;

    Simon and Simon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭Genghis


    Not missing the point.

    I simply no longer think enough TDs will be returned for the current government to be re elected. FWIW I expected it would be re-elected up until maybe middle of last year. Now, as I said, I think it's going to be SF FF or SF FF led.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Yes of course they should focus on fixing the planning system but it's not as if this issue arose yesterday. Planning has long been a problem but they sat on their hands for years.

    It's also not good enough to say that it's because of opposition to policy. Government have forced through unpopular policy here on many occasions, and are in the midst of forcing through a deeply unpopular hate speech law. They didn't reform planning because they didn't want to. It's that simple.

    And of course the government should be in the business of building and developing infrastructure - that absolutely includes houses . The government is the biggest builder in the state by far and has ample skill to throw at it. The issue though government has an industrial policy of creating job growth in MNCs where the native population do not have the skills and has therefore required huge inward migration to keep the show on the road. It does not have a housing policy to match this - this is a choice. The net effect of importing high skilled high paid labour is to price locals out of the market.

    The main reason for the children's hospital overrunning it's budget was because it was tendered with an unfinished design. What party was in government and pushed the button when it wasn't ready?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    FFG + the Soc Dems or a group of indies will be enough.

    FF's first choice is FG.

    It would be a last resort for them to side with SF and the numbers for FFG combined make it a simple enough stretch to get the seats needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭Genghis


    You may be right, especially if MM is still leading after the General Election. I think another leader of FF may be more open than MM to a SF coalition. I also think high chance MM will stand down before the next General Election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yep, MM wont side with SF. A new leader may do so.

    But SF are sliding in the polls and FG will jump a little, I expect.

    Any mew FF leader will still be part of the curremt govt and find themselves on the recieving end of SFs attacks, thus pushing them closer to FG.

    FF and SF is certainly a possible govt, but still less likley than FFG and I have the feeling MM may well stay around for 9 months, just to keep SF out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The problem is that the established parties are currently universally unpopular and I believe will return substantially fewer TDs than expected. The gains will go to the independents largely.

    Such a fragmented Dail is quite likely to be be unable to elect a Taoiseach. So we may need new elections.

    That's my hunch but I guess we will see if the discontent shown at the referendums starts to show through at elections soon enough.

    I wouldn't put any great store in polls at the moment. They have been demonstrated to be way out just recently so their value and accuracy has to be called into question. It looks like the electorate is looking for blood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭spuddy


    Does anyone seriously think that ministers actually run their departments??

    The average tenure of a minister is measured in months, many of them are ex-teachers, or certainly have little experience managing large organisations. So they usually end up doing three things 1) PR for their department, 2) Fighting for their department's budget at cabinet, 3) Pushing their department's legislation through the Dáil.

    The intractable problem is that the issues the country faces can only be solved in the long term, yet politicians have an outlook which only stretches as far as the next election. All of the attention is focused on them however.

    Conversely, the civil service, the people who are permanently in government, the ones who are supposed to plan for the long term, get little or no scrutiny, by the media, the general public or the politicians themselves.

    If more attention were placed on those who actually run the departments, it would be far better for the country. Certainly I'd vote for a political party which stopped trying to pretend it's running the show, and instead acted as true public representatives, and hold those who really are in charge to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    What does anyone think Leo might do when he leaves politics…..go back to his medical training….?



  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are trying to excuse corruption on a gigantic scale. The Moriarty tribunal found that Haughey took payments of the equivalent of up to €45 million in 2006, which would be even more in today’s money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Cyclonius


    A hung Dáil is a definite possibility.

    One thing I do notice is that Independent Ireland seem to be adding to their numbers daily, both in terms of existing county councillors, as well as currently unelected candidates willing to run in the local elections. Given the unpopularity of the established political parties, I'd imagine a potted plant could give many FF/FG/SF/Lab/SD/etc county councillors a run for their money in the upcoming election, if run as an independent or on a new party banner such as Independent Ireland or the Farmers Alliance (though I haven't seen that much activity from the latter lately).

    Any newly elected Independent Ireland county councillors might then be well placed to make a run for the Dáil in the not too distant future, assuming they'd be interested, and I'd imagine many would. I can see a scenario where Independent Ireland could do very well in terms of seats (at the expense of FF, FG and SF), and be a viable coalition partner, possibly with additional Independent technical group or groups, for one of the main parties, to at least have a functioning minority government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭creedp




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere




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