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Leo Varadkar resigns as Taoiseach

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Nope, that would be comparing apples and pears.

    Most people didnt give a fook about the Referendum & many didnt understand it, so I wouldnt compare the results of that episode to anything.

    Election polls are generally pretty accurate, but even accounting for large margin for error, there is no single party capable of a majority, so FF remain the kingmaker in all circumstances.

    Therefore, FFG govt is by far the most likley scenario.

    Nothing has changed on that front for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    I really do not understand Simon Harris being heavy favourite to take over. It’s the most mystifying thing I have ever seen in Irish politics. He’s meek, a bit thick(covid vaccine statement regarding “18 previous covids we never developed a vaccine for) , uninspiring . I just do not get it. I’m not saying he’s a bad person or anything like that I just do not get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    Same thing with political sex scandals in the UK, Irish media happy to cover it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Why? Because FF are arguably a party with the most credibility at the moment, not without baggage but would look a safer bet to middle Ireland. I should make it clear that I've never voted FF yet, but the advantages are there to be taken by them. Look at the current state of their main opponents.

    • FG in disarray and there too long for most of electorate
    • Greens - series of unpopular policies and things foisted on the public.
    • SF - in the doldrums compared to a while back
    • Independents - the real threat IMHO, but who would need a bit of time to declare and get their campaigns up.

    Carpe diem opportunity for FF and Micheál M to seize back a lot of seats, unlikely to get an overall majority but could have a healthy main party position.

    If FF leave it till autumn or next year, they'll be dragged down as well. They should have a bit of bottle and go for the jugular now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    He certainly isnt thick.

    I would say only him, Pascal and Coveney have the capability to be leader and the other two have pulled out.

    So its a no brainer that Harris will lead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Makes no sense to me either. About the only good thing you can say about him is he's not Helen McEntee (who has ruled herself out - in my view because she didn't get the support).

    My lasting impression of him was the first time I saw him speaking in front of a camera.. Wholly uninspiring, waffling, and in a suit that looked about 2 sizes too big for him.

    I don't really care who FG elect as party leader but the thought of having this lad out fronting the country as Taoiseach and representing us abroad is a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 fgordonie


    Fine Gael member here.

    Never understood why Coveney didn't get leader and Taoiseach to be honest.

    There are limits to media friendly gesture politics as people live in the real world of no homes and I suspect sooner than most people think, no jobs. Do press officers run the country or elected TD's?

    Hubris also played a part brought on I suspect, with the increased powers enjoyed during lockdown.

    On immigration, about a million Irish residents were not born here, yet the country is turned into a cesspit of racism by the chronic mishandling of the issue over last few years. Make promises you can't keep and estrange your electorate or worse blame them.

    As for the runners for the vacated position,

    • Harris, not the person that imprisioned me in my own home for 2 years, no way
    • Donoghue, very competent with the numbers but as leader?
    • The current minister for justice, not after the riots.

    Who does a conservative (both economically and socially), christian democratic, tax paying small business owner vote for?

    • The monster raving populists?
    • SF, with the historical baggage?
    • The traditional left, Lab/SD?
    • FF, they still get votes after everything???

    There is nothing more annoying than getting an electricity bill that is negative and realising my own taxes paid for that and is paying the same for many, many others. Again and again the current government tell us how they are spending our money, one for everyone in the audience, maybe I'd like to keep more of it and decide where to spend it.

    The future for the party, I hope for a return to more traditional FG policies and politics, the politics of the country needs a center-right party otherwise who-knows-what fills that gap. The lessons from the UK and the US are very stark, I don't want to go there.

    I imagine the party is in for a kicking at the next election, made even worst by the large numbers of TD not standing again, possibly they are unhappy with the direction of the party and I suspect were not listened to by the leadership of the party OR they understand the scale of the failure to deliver for the country and realise there is no hope of re-election.

    As for Ireland itself, we are in for some choppy weather economically I suspect but in the long run things are getting better, for all its flaws its still the place I call home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Time is SF enemy, better to leave them make a bigger and bigger mess for another 12 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    You are not the only one. I keep thinking am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,839 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Harris seems like a real decent bloke, but leader? Just not seeing it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    He's the quintessential example of 'failing upwards', a bit like Leo himself. To say that there seems to be a competency crisis at leadership levels, not just in Irish politics, but pretty much all over the world right now, is a bit of an understatement. And that lack of any leadership with an ounce of backbone or a brain is pretty worrying....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Naive,gullible,lack of understanding of the realities.

    Perfect prey for SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And that is why FF, if they have any sense from a strategy pov, should put the boot in politely now. Argue they never agreed this new arrangement, that the referendum results and town/village protests are significant. Pull the plug and go to the people. But will they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,770 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Or Melania or Jean Carroll or many more.

    The only reason Varadkar lasted so long in the job is because he played the sexuality and race cards to a tee.

    If he was white and straight he'd have only lasted a few years as leader.



  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The realities are that if you expect the market to do all your heavy lifting it will do exactly what produces the most profit for the fewest people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    An adult in a consensual open relationship kissing another adult consensually is not a “sex scandal”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    General feedback from Newstalk listeners over lunchtime seems to be to go to the public. Not much support for Harris coming through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    LOL that is a true FGer trying to make the best of a bad, bad situation. Kick the can down the road stuff and keep our bums on the seats because we know we're going to be kicked to the hills.

    The Shinners are smart, they'll be hurriedly thinking and praying for time from FG, so they can turn their ship around a bit and make good hay for a few months. Again if FF are smart, they'll cut them off at the pass now.



  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not really an accident incompetent politicians allow the Billionaires and crooks to extract the maximum profit from the country. Its in the interests of those who own all the assets to have corrupt and incompetent politicians. The intelligent and able members of society see that politics is not where the money's at so avoid it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    An interesting take from a party member, thanks.

    Why do you see an imminent threat to jobs?

    I would expect that a FG member would want to see a return of the party to the centre right and if Harris does that, there could very easily be an uptick in support for FG.

    As per my previous posts, I still see FG in power after the next election because FF will pick them as partners over SF, regardless.

    However there is a gap in that no party represents the centre right space anymore and a move that way would likley increase FG support pretty rapidly.

    With Leo resigning, I would expect the new leader to change direction and head to the centre right, ahead of the GE.

    Ita not my politics personally, but when you look at the dissatisfaction with housing, crime, immigration and health in the country, any party that rolls their sleeves up on those fronts and moves to the centre right is likley to win votes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Surely FF just collapse the coalition if they had any ambition but they also have a leadership problem. Install McGrath as leader, make nice with SF and head to the polls.

    If Simon Harris is the best FG can offer, FF should be pouncing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Exactly! It was grand for ‎Silvio Berlusconi, why shouldn't it be grand for Leo Varadkar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It looks like Harris in a no contest. I think that is very damaging to FG. Nobody else wants the top job?? Admitting defeat.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    He's good at schmoozing and promising things to backbenchers, senators and councillors. That's it.

    His probable victory has nothing to do with his capability to lead or inspire.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Leo probably made the right decision. The polls didn't improve once he got back to the Taoiseachs office.

    Housing is probably improving but not quickly enough.

    Health remains problematic enough.

    Unfortunately he allowed mass immigration that has now come back to haunt the government.

    Politics is a hard profession. Well paid but hard. He was one of the few politicians who could have made more money elsewhere. Probably could have been a consultant.

    I was hoping when he took over in 2017 he would prove radical but he reverted to the bland politicians we seem to excel at turning out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ahh seriously are you saying that Harris is in the realm of the ones you mentioned?

    I don't care if he is a college dropout.

    He has no substance offering nothing but soft soap cr** much like the other wastes of space.

    What did he achieve in Health?

    Oh and he does fook all for his constituents when they have major issues.

    In fact when there are public meetings he is conspicuous in his absence much like that other idiot donnelly.

    And now he is such an idiot he is taking over the bus going over the cliff.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Can you imagine Harris in a stand off with Mary Lou in the Dail 😂

    He'll be ate alive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I have been accused of been a "Greener", "green zealot" etc etc etc and now a "true FGer" and I never voted for either party. Fun to see on boards as usual

    The Shinners are incompetent, they have managed to go from a home run election to losing traction very quickly and I expect that to continue as more people review their incompetent policies.

    FF are not stupid, an election now would be bad, especially with local elections on the way. They need to consolidate and easier to do that while FG are in limelight and SF continue to fall over themselves

    Time, give more time to SF and they will continue to drive people away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Economics101


    You are being ridiculous. First, what you say applies mainly to apartments, not houses. Why would any sane builder build a house whichc no-one could afford?

    As for apartments, builders may find bank finance difficult to get unless that have adequate security. This often comes in the form of an investment fund guaranteeing to purchase the property, which effectively provides security to the builder's financier. For houses, builders traditionally build (say) 20 houses out of 100 in a development, and when they sell them, use the proceeds to secure finance on another 20, etc. You can't do that with apartments: you have to finance the whole block in one go.

    I know, we're getting away from the Leo Varadkar resignation, but it seems that it has brought lots of malcontents out of the woodwork



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,684 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Leo left the Dáil at "ten o'clock last night" "got a takeaway last night with my partner" and got "up at six o'clock this morning" to get a plane to Brussels, and "i don't want to do that forever"



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