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General Irish politics discussion thread

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  • #3512
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121881107#Comment_121881107


    To be fair to the opposition parties they were given no input into the wording, the choice of date or any of the other mistakes that were made in relation to these referenda. The government rushed the bill through and didn't accept any changes. The opposition parties (with the exception of Aontu) gave it a lukewarm backing. I didn't see a single poster by any of them nor do I recall any media appearances by them backing it.

    It certainly means that they can't put the boot in as much as they could have done had they called for a No vote but it doesn't mean that they cannot be critical of how the government botched these (and I say that as someone who voted Yes-Yes myself).



  • #3513
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,253 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121881107#Comment_121881107

    Matt has looked at the polling and it seems like 80% of SF voters who showed up were against both proposals and he knows chatter about going again is political suicide in a probable election year.

    FF had a similar number of their voters who rejected it and Martin wasn't naive enough to chatter about going again.

    Its very naive of Mary Lou to chatter about going again when its clear her supporters voted no-no.



  • #3514
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121885452#Comment_121885452


    She isn't talking about going again. She was asked when she arrived at the count centre on Saturday would Sinn Fein run these referendums again if Sinn Fein are in power and she said "No".

    After a resounding defeat like that no political parties are going to touch either of these clauses in the constitution, with a barge pole, for a generation.



  • #3515
    Good loser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭Good loser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878549#Comment_121878549

    ANY wording for ANY referendums dealing with those two articles would have been defeated imo. And by roughly the same margins imo.Too many complications available to No sayers.



  • #3516
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I remember a few months back doing an analysis of all of the FG TDs who have announced they are retiring at the next election. Everyone under 65 was someone who had lost a ministerial job when FG went from the 2016 minority government to the 2020 coalition. Looking at the other TDs who that happened to, who were under 65 - there was only one left. That was Ciaran Cannon.

    Well lo and behold:


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0319/1438665-ciaran-cannon-fine-gael/




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  • #3517
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,746 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And yet the very elderly Durkan has explicitly said he is running in Kildare North. Hasn't had a Ministry since the 90s either.



  • #3518
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,414 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    In a statement, he said that there was a "coarseness, a toxicity in politics now that was barely palpable 20 years ago."

    He added: "None of us asks to be put on a pedestal, or to be treated any differently. We just ask to be treated with the same civility and respect as anyone else doing their job.

    "Yes, politicians are subject to public scrutiny, and rightly so, but what we are experiencing right now goes far beyond that and can be deeply damaging to our wellbeing. At times it feels like it's open season on you and your family.

    "That's not acceptable, nor indeed sustainable, if we want to have good people choosing politics as a career," he said.


    I imagine statements like this will become all too common over the next few years. The last 10 years have seen a very nasty personalised streak brought into political discourse in this country.

    Hard to see why anyone would turn away from a decent career to expose themselves to the abuse that politicians now are subjected to.



  • #3519
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912308#Comment_121912308


    Yes and whatever abuse the male politicians receive you can multiply by a factor for the female politicians.

    Not only does social media allow people to target elected representatives with anonymous abuse instantly, easily and free of charge but it also creates a feeding frenzy among people, allowing them to feel like what they are doing is both popular and correct.



  • #3520
    gym_imposter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912035#Comment_121912035

    No great loss to Galway East, not quite as useless as Ann Rabbitte but a mediocrity



  • #3521
    Archduke Franz Ferdinand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    So, Nina Carberry running on the FG ticket in the next European elections. A cynical move by both FG and by her l would suggest a bit naive What interest has she previously expressed on political issues? Outside of her undoubted ability as a jockey what does she know about being a politician?Nothing against her, she seems like a perfectly nice person but hopefully people will see through this and any other similar stunts pulled by the other political parties as b lm sure there will be more “celebrity candidates “

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  • #3522
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Is she being prepped for a Dail seat?



  • #3523
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914115#Comment_121914115

    Mairead McGuinness was such a candidate who has been very successful in Europe. Why would one need anything to be a politician but the votes of the electorate. I am sure most successful candidates do a good job.

    [I can think of two Irish MEPs, in particular, who are the exception to this.]



  • #3524
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,746 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914115#Comment_121914115

    FG are the biggest party for 'celeb candidates' by far

    Mairead McGuinness, Maria Walsh, Brody Sweeney (O'Briens/Camile), Lord Henry Mountcharles, George Lee, Kenny Egan, Peter Fitzpatrick all come to mind without having to search.



  • #3525
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yeah they wouldn't keep doing it if it didn't keep working for them in the past. Maria Walsh is a particularly egregious example in the very same constituency in the previous election. She had zero political experience at any level and still managed to get elected purely based on name recognition and the FG brand backing her.



  • #3526
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,516 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Something afoot?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1770402677517590728




  • #3527
    Summer2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    So what’s this political earthquake that’s expected at midday?


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/political-earthquake-major-announcement-expected-from-government-at-noon/a2011295372.html



  • #3528
    antimatterx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Either Leo stepping away know, or some of the FG leadership not running during the next election.



  • #3529
    Summer2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    My money would be on Leo stepping away, rats off a sinking ship



  • #3530
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,805 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916255#Comment_121916255

    I don't see the latter as being a 'political earthquake', so I'd guess it must be Leo.

    He had talked (way before he became leader) about not seeing his political career as a long-term/life-time thing and eventually going back to medicine.



  • #3531
    Hodors Appletart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    If it was Varadkar, Coveney or Donohoe, or two of that three, not running in the GE it might be considered an earthquake?


    Although, if it's Leo going, maybe the Taoiseach position rotates back to FF for the remainder of the term.



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  • #3532
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,414 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Numerous political correspondents saying it's not an election, and hard to see the point of a ministerial reshuffle within 12 months of an election.

    Suspect Leo stepping down as FG leader is most likely - but who knows?



  • #3533
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916363#Comment_121916363

    Who takes over? Donohoe best of the bunch. Harris? Coveney or McEntee. Slim pickings.



  • #3534
    antimatterx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916371#Comment_121916371

    My pick would be Donohoe but I don't think he wants it. Simon Harris will be the next FG leader.

    I see Varadkar, Coveney and Donohoe all leaving Irish politics and taking European jobs. I also see Michael Martin and Michael McGrath going to Europe. Some exodus.



  • #3535
    Hodors Appletart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    is MDH in trouble I wonder



  • #3536
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,516 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Leo steps down



  • #3537
    Hodors Appletart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    LV gone...


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/leo-varadkar-to-step-down-as-taoiseach-and-fine-gael-leader/a2011295372.html




  • #3538
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,764 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Surely this will lead to an election? FF and Greens may not back this.



  • #3539
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,414 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Question now is this immediate, or is it that he won't be standing and wants to allow the party time to find successor etc.



  • #3540
    Hodors Appletart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    he's staying until FG elect a new leader, which the Dail is expected to elect as Taoiseach, according to Pat Leahy



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  • #3541
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Wonder who will run for Leadership?

    I doubt Coveney will, given the defeat he suffered to Varadkar a few years back.

    Nor do I expect Donohoe to run. McEntee has had a terrible few months too.



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