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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • #31532
    Cork29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Cork29


    Sounds like you saying this Irish team are soft?



  • #31533
    Shehal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878076#Comment_121878076

    Those people better hope Ireland get another lopsided draw in 2027 as otherwise this narrative about choking in QF's will soon be over and they'll need something new to whinge about.



  • #31534
    Cork29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Cork29


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878120#Comment_121878120

    i am fed hp of whingers like you on about lopsided draws



  • #31535
    Shehal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878153#Comment_121878153

    Oh look another fella who hasn't been seen on a rugby forum since the RWC QF!



  • #31536
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121877516#Comment_121877516

    The last team went into the WC looking to win it.

    I don't think any of the team went into the WC with the goal of losing in the QF, maybe some of the early teams when Ireland wasn't as strong felt a QF was an achievement but not for the last few years. The team go in to win now and that's the right attitude

    The irish players win QF at clubs rugby etc and for loads of different reasons of the years have lost at QF stage. All been discussed in detail. So not sure what mindset you are talking about?

    I enjoy watching sport, it's a way to relax from the stress's of the World. Im not going to sit around and only get excited every 4 years and then spend the next 4 years complaining about the WC. We lost, that's sport.

    It was on one of the podcast but they mentioned about Scotland, so Scotland got to a semi final and have won nothing since. Their clubs have a Pro14 or Rabo or whatever it was called to their name, would Irish rugby swap all of those years of success for a semi? I certainly wouldn't



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  • #31537
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121877463#Comment_121877463

    They also nearly beat South Africa a couple of months ago

    Similar to when Farrell took over in 2020 they are trying to implement a new system and the two week window from the Scotland match to the Ireland match gave them loads of time to work on the new system. If you watched the game they clearly have improved massively in those two week.

    England was always going to get better as the tournament progressed and they had more time with the new coach's like Jones. This has been called out since the start of the tournament and a lot of people who know a lot more about rugby said this could happen, especially in Twickers.



  • #31538
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,356 ✭✭✭OldRio


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878084#Comment_121878084

    'We' ?????



  • #31539
    ingo1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭ingo1984


    Conan should start at 8 instead of Doris. Have a look at Doris's stats from Saturday and tell me he deserves to start vs Scotland.



  • #31540
    sliabh 1956
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    Just listened to Quinny on OTB he called out most of the pack but when he came POM he went very quite what a coward refusing to admit that Peter was very poor.



  • #31541
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878475#Comment_121878475

    You mean the stats showing he had the most metres gained in the forwards, most passes, most tackles and one of only two clean breaks by the whole team? He deserves to start against Scotland.

    He was mediocre really on Saturday, but if we dropped everyone who had one mediocre game we would be in trouble - for starters we would be changing about 11 of the starting 15 going into Scotland.



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  • #31542
    ingo1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭ingo1984


    But complacency needs to be ironed out. No harm starting Conan, bealham, Henderson. Just freshen things up and keep lads on their toes. It's debilitating for the fringe players knowing that regardless of how well of poor the starting 15 play there is zero repercussions. No matter how hard or well you do in training, you won't get a start unless there's an injury. Creates a bad culture and team environment.



  • #31543
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    The goal for this week is to win. Beat the Scots and the tourney is ours. Put the loss in the rear view and step up next week.



  • #31544
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878810#Comment_121878810

    When have players not been rotated into the team?

    Ireland have lost how many games over the last 2 years so how did you come up with "regardless of how well or poor the starting 15 play there is zero repercussions"?

    This nugget is spun out all the time and it's based on something which happened in 2007.



  • #31545
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878674#Comment_121878674

    Quinny will always shy away from calling out Munster players, he is still heavily linked in with the province and will call out a good performance and not a bad one.

    Not sure why you would call him a "coward"?



  • #31546
    Alessandro Vast Numskull
    Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandro Vast Numskull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878867#Comment_121878867

    And 2019.


    We dont rotate players in thats why we had to bring so many injuries to the world cup



  • #31547
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878897#Comment_121878897

    We took Joey who was injured from recollection and that was it, Henshaw picked up an injury at the WC training, similar to last year

    PLayers got rotated in the group games and the issue was teams had worked Ireland game plan out, not the players. I don't remember anyone, apart from maybe Conway who was pushing to jump into the team. When Carty was given his chance at 10 it didn't really work out for him

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #31548
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'm hopeful that faz rearranges the furniture a little this week. Maybe start Hendo and Baird . Ringer to the bench with HB.



  • #31549
    sliabh 1956
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878879#Comment_121878879

    Off all the Forwards that played on Saturday He was the least effective And if he is going to be just a Munster "fan boy" maybe he should not be asked to give his opinions as a supposed annalist on a Radio show. Why not just call it as it is.



  • #31550
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    A frustrating loss, but perhaps it can prove beneficial in the long run. An end to the 6-2 shite, and bring into focus that a few lads need to be moved on from after the tournament.

    We'll smash Scotland next weekend, then build to a cracking tour in SA.



  • #31551
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878924#Comment_121878924

    I can not see any way in which they drop the captain for the final game.



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  • #31552
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878924#Comment_121878924

    Ringrose needs to come in ( would even put him on wing, but needs to play) Would put McCloskey and HB on bench with Casey( although he isn't the answer) plus Conan , Henderson and rest of front row replacements. Would have Baird instead of POM.



  • #31553
    [Deleted User]
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    He won't drop the captain after a loss



  • #31554
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878954#Comment_121878954

    But he isn't just a Munster "fan boy". You don't have to go onto a podcast and slag off players.

    Listening to it now he calls out Crowley for not taking the first kick instead of Lowe, made a few comments about Murray

    He also criticised the backrow as a unit. He said collectively we failed and he is right.

    Don't see anything in that podcast to say he is a Munster "fan boy"



  • #31555
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879007#Comment_121879007
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879061#Comment_121879061

    It would be a huge call and can't see it happening.

    That was a stupid yellow card for POM, he had no reason to do it in my eyes. It was just so blatant he was always getting a yellow card.

    Changes will be made by the looks of it because of injury



  • #31556
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879062#Comment_121879062

    Listening to it now he calls out Crowley for not taking the first kick instead of Lowe

    What is the context behind this out of curiosity? What kick is he talking about?



  • #31557
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879062#Comment_121879062

    I think Quinlan is one of the fairer pundits and actually goes out of his way to not show any bias. I think he is good. I'm a Leinster fan and he is always complimentary towards us.



  • #31558
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878976#Comment_121878976

    Not sure we will smash Scotland, all pressure is off them now. They have a free hit, this will be a very high scoring game.Can see Scotland scoring a few tries .



  • #31559
    Shehal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    The team I'd name for Scotland


    1. Porter
    2. Sheehan
    3. Furlong
    4. McCarthy
    5. Beirne
    6. O'Mahony
    7. VDF
    8. Doris
    9. JGP
    10. Crowley
    11. Lowe
    12. Aki
    13. Henshaw
    14. Ringrose
    15. Keenan

    ---

    16 Kelleher 17 Healy 18 Bealham 19 Baird 20 Conan 21 Murray 22 H.Byrne 23 Larmour

    Give the players a chance to redeem themselves after last week. Post 6N we need to start looking at transitioning in younger players such as Baird for POM and Casey for Murray.



  • #31560
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Other than Fralwey and Nash I wonder who else will be potentially missing, there are aways knocks.



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  • #31561
    The Macho Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 433 ✭✭The Macho Man


    How we missed Ryan on Saturday.

    My take on it is Murray deciding to kick cost us the game. The reason being is the time left on the clock. Week in week out teams do this, we did it in Marseilles against France in the opener to run down the clock. I find it hard to accept at that point in the game, under 2 mins to go box kicking was the correct decision.

    At the very least line up one more ruck further in field in order to give it back to Lowe who would have leathered it long. Then see out the last few seconds from there.

    In terms of the team I would be in favour of starting the process to retire a few older heads and bring in the new. But that is something that has to be done carefully and gradually. Certainly wouldn't be in favour of Gatlands model.



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