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Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    Of course you don’t, it’s not confusing in the slightest, that you can’t comprehend is certainly a YOU issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Theres an awful lot of egits in this country finding problems where there isn't any to begin with

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Hilarious the reaction to a no vote and blaming the government.

    The reality is the people who were bothered to vote for this campaign showed up, equally those who cared took the time to understand what they were voting for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Sit and watch copious amounts of daytime tv while drinking tae?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Maybe this needs its own thread, but why do Irish politicians (more so ministers in this case) have such a brass neck that they won't resign. O'Gormon brought 2 referendums to the people and both were rejected, this was his baby, he failed in his task, he should step down immediately. Mcentee is another one who should has resigned months ago.

    Is it a consequence of the 3 party government and lack of options, or do they think so highly of themselves they can't see their flaws.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭eggy81


    The whole setup is a big gravy train. Even opposition are in on it at this stage. Not even a good row in the Dail much anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Roddy's on the gravy train. He knows he is goosed in the next election and wants that ministers pay. Then he'll float of to a government funded NGO job.

    He used to work as a lecturer before politics. He's never been out of his bubble in his life and never will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,869 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    And women will continue to needlessly suffer as a result?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,902 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes most of our politicians are parasites who have risen above their level.

    They wouldnt cut it in the private sector, wasters the lot of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Good luck getting a Government or Minister who will want to run a referendum every again in that case. The Governments job should be to facilitate the running of referendum. I don't understand why they should be punished for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They seem to have a misguided opinion thats its the ballot box that decides their fate. While the electorate decide whether they sit as a td, that shouldn't have any bearing on resigning from ministerial jobs.

    But as you say, gravy train. And while that self opinion contuines, the public will continue to be disenfranchised with politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Look at it from a Minister's point of view, if you are dealing with a progressive from an NGO, you are going to be listening to a more positive message rather than the price of houses, rizla papers,child care and SME woes down the country.


    You'll have meetings with top quality restaurants and drinks, not a country gastro pub, your son who is doing his Master's on Irish Tort and what it can teach the Palestinian resistance is going to need a job in a few years and this org is a great fit.


    You might get to bang her at the think in next week and if not after the next Game in the Aviva where the goys have hooked you up with a box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,854 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They wanted to run this, they should have worded it correctly and ensure any ambiguities are cleared up. That is up to the minister in charge and by association the government of the day. They failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I am so proud of the Irish voter today. They were not taken in by any oul rameish dished out to the unwashed plebs who might not know any better.

    The way so many saw through the BS and voted accordingly is just brilliant. We are a very sophisticated electorate and the Government should take note big time now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    If the Government nail their mast to one side of the vote, then they are not facilitators, they have skin in the game. It's one thing being a Minister, or even being leader of a party and voting one way, or the other. It's a whole other ball game when you spend a chunk of public money to try to sway the vote in one direction. I'm not calling for any resignations, but if it were me, I would bow out gracefully and let someone else take the reigns.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,854 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Amen to this.

    My only disappointment around this whole fiasco is the lack of real opposition in the Dáil. Ireland is really lacking this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,135 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    😁

    We've got a live one here folks!

    No one ever claimed the wording of the constitution was great.

    But the lies that spilled out of the mouths of the people for this referendum was much worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    It was interesting to hear Leo's comments In his first response this afternoon after he conceded defeat. He was quick to declare that when it comes to gender equality the Government will continue to work on this.

    Was he referring to women's rights specifically or the policy of supporting several different genders are legitimate brigade.

    If it's the later, he needs to read the room.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭whatisayis


    I think it's time someone calls out the the damage the Greens are doing to Irish society.

    We have Catherine Martin and the RTE fiasco plus her continued assertion of the falsehood that a women's place is in the home

    O'Gorman and the Attorney General ( let's call it) mismatch of facts in relation to this 23 million Euro fiasco referendum

    Green Party TD and Minister of State in the department of Rural Affairs Joe O'Brien complicity in the silencing of State funded entities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The Leinster House Politburo is what today's Dail looks like. I think people are craving a bit of balance with a decent Opposition, but like Russia and North Korea, we don't have one anymore.

    Opposition in the Dail is a complete misnomer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He bought the goose for dinner on March 8th but he expected his mother to fatten it, butcher and then Cook.


    He disappeared for the last few months and his party, and every one else for yes, didn't lift a finger to get a single vote on board.


    The "it's too much effort, it will be grand" attitude of this govt again and again.


    No one will bother to hold him to account, no one will bother to ask why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭celt262


    The most ferocious opposition in the history off the state are like sleeping lambs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Yeah. It Defines it based on genitalia possessed by the subject in question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,345 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well I think McEntee specialises in the vague feelings chat. I thought she really shone in the vote of no confidence in her after the Dublin riots. Obliquely referencing Sinn Fein it made them look hypocritical and she was being chased in a witchhunt.

    But, her performance against McDowell where she again resorted to "vague feelings" made her seem ill-prepared and clueless particularly as she was in one of cases McDowell referenced.

    Roderic O'Gorman I don't know what it is about him. But I cannot take him seriously. He is supposed to have a background in law. Why could he not take on McDowell in debate if he believed in the YES/YES? That was his chance to prove himself.

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    Both would have been front and centre it was a YES/YES lapping up the limelight. As the opposition parties pretended to half agree with and how it is a move forward for equality, but there is a lot more to do etc.

    --

    But the reality is a large chunk of the electorate did not give a sh!te and/or did not understand this referendum so opted out.

    It will quickly be forgotten when main focus is more on practical politics Health, Education, Housing, Economy etc.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    I never really see asking the citizens of a country for their opinion on how the country should be run as a waste of money tbh. We can agree to disagree on thet one though.


    There was also strong demand by the citizens assembly to have a referendum on that section of the Constitution and it has been a talking point for decades.


    They can't spend public money advocating for one side or the other. I don't think going down the road of barring government Ministers and TDs from having an opinion on a referendum is a particularly health approach to take either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭queueeye


    It’s a victory for common sense that both of these bullsh1t referendums were so soundly defeated.

    It should make the govt and the myriad of NGOs who they slavishly follow realise how woefully out of touch they are with the Irish electorate when it comes to many social issues.

    It really is beyond time that the tail stops wagging the dog.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Were they both put forward by O'Gorman?

    If so, you have a very fair point.

    If someone is that out of touch with the electorate, it seems reasonable to consider their position.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Would they not have been better to divert the cost of the referendum into the actual carers themselves ?

    Delighted it blew up in their faces



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