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VW ID.3

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    #16232
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856264#Comment_121856264

    Had a high spec ID.5 on a 3 day loaner from a garage, it was a beautiful car, I sat into the ID.3 afterwards and I wouldn't go for it after the ID.5. I dont have the budget for any but I guess I will stretch to the 4 at some stage



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    #16233
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,094 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121855639#Comment_121855639

    Agree with your comment on the leaf - didn't think it has as good a BMS as the ID.3? - no water cooling or am I wrong?

    The Leaf BMS is fine. Its job is to protect the battery as best it can and it does that.

    The lack of heating/cooling in the Leaf is often mentioned on here but in my view that isnt the main reason for Leaf battery degradation. The main reason is simply the chemistry of their batteries. They are not as good as the competitors. Nissan did not advance their battery tech much.

    For the Leaf to have battery heating and cooling only really matters in a hot climate where the battery would regularly overheat. In general, its not an issue here because of our climate. You can heat the Leaf battery to the point where the BMS has to throttle charge speed (aka rapidgate) to allow it to cool, but that doesnt cause degradation it just causes frustration for the owner.

    The majority of degradation in the Leaf battery is time based. At least thats my experience of it. After 5yrs mine was at ~15% degradation I think. If it had a battery heater/cooler it would have made no difference as the battery never overheated anyway (well, maybe once when I DC charged a bunch of times on the way back from the UK).


    for degradation calc I was using HV battery energy content divided by HV energy content day 1 (55.8kWh)

    Thats probably OK too as long as you have recently taken the car to <10% and charged to 100%. Then take the readings. Calculating degradation is not an exact science as you will get different results on different days but it should be in the same ball park... large or quick drops would be the red flags for a problem.



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    #16234
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,178 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Was chatting to a VW dealer this morning, wondering what you folk think of this offer to change?

    Mine : 2019 Leaf SV-Premium 40kw, 68000km

    For sale : 211 ID3 1st edition Pro S 48kw, 75000km


    Mine + €10k?



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    #16235
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856506#Comment_121856506

    That's a good deal to be honest. The Leaf market is in sh**t according to everyone I talked to because loads in market and people don't want them anymore due to a number of factors.



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    #16236
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,178 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yeah, thought it wasn't the worst deal to be honest. Was expecting them to ask for maybe 11k or so.

    Might see if I could get another 500 off😆



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    #16237
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,233 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856264#Comment_121856264

    Maybe so but it just didn't feel as smooth and comfortable to me. I was a bit underwhelmed.



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    #16238
    ColemanY2K
    Registered Users Posts: 845 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Would the ID3 Tour be considered the best value (cheapest) long range second hand EV on the market? I saw a 2020 or 2021 for sale a few weeks back for ~25k. Is there any other circa 77kW EVs out there for that sort of money or less?

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



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    #16239
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,282 ✭✭✭✭fits


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856877#Comment_121856877

    I think it would be hard to argue anything else has better range for your money.



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    #16240
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,282 ✭✭✭✭fits


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856051#Comment_121856051

    Agree. ID.4 far less good to drive.

    I think we will probably end up in one though. Sat in back of our tour behind my 6’2 husband on a long journey yesterday and it was completely fine for me but I think my sons will be tall and will need room as they get older.

    unless I hold out for a used ID.7 tourer. It’s going to be too much new.



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    #16241
    Mr Q
    Registered Users Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854107#Comment_121854107

    The battery has not been abused, maybe a DC charge on average once per month. And when I do it tends to be only 15 or 20% added.

    The rest of my charging is at home, the car is normally at between 50 and 80% charge.

    The point about doing it at a higher temp is worth a try to see if there is a difference.



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    #16242
    Greengrass53
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Thanks very much for your reply. Very useful to have before going into dealer.



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    #16243
    Greengrass53
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Cheers Joe. I'd be OK with it but Mrs might'nt. 🙄



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    #16244
    VWPAT
    Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭VWPAT


    Bjorn has checked numerous ID3.s and never found one with a 58kwh capacity. My 211 ID3 i calculated when new had 56kwh capacity. Would influence degradation calculation. Chris of battery life has said his new ID7 has a capacity of 73.4kwh. 82kwh gross' 77 useable.



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    #16245
    Ev fan
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Ev fan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121857180#Comment_121857180

    Just to say I wasn't inferring that you might have abused it but before you got the car is it possible it was sitting for a while fully charged at the dealer or something? Being 3.5 years old with significant mileage- 86k the degradation is unlikely to be small. However given your charging practice you are careful with the battery- So I would definitely be inclined to have a go at more readings- in particular can you get any readings for battery energy content at 50kWh or above. An averaged reading at or close to 50kWh might not be a bad result.



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    #16246
    handpref
    Registered Users Posts: 610 ✭✭✭handpref


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856506#Comment_121856506

    The Pro S is a 77kwh - I’d bite their hand off-



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    #16247
    Rusky rusky
    Registered Users Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Rusky rusky


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858191#Comment_121858191

    1st editions were only 58kWh with 204hp. Majority were register in 2020 so 202 but some were 211.



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    #16248
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,178 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858191#Comment_121858191

    It's a 1st edition, and definitely 58kw.

    I think pro S is on the description.

    Then detail has just PRO.



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    #16249
    adunis
    Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭adunis


    To cover loads of the last posts.

    Id3 17kwh/100

    1d4 20kwh/100 my old lad has one

    Id3 way nicer as a car than id4

    Id5 ? WTF ?,an SUV "coupe" jist wtf ?

    P.S. I despise SUVS,this is why I have a 30year old trooper and a car

    Leaf 40 nice car very good value but obselete....my 20 yr old has an sve

    60 leaf wouldn't be a parch on id3 range wise

    Range/value I can't think of better than 77 id3 either

    Pure bald efficiency?,still the 28ioniq

    14kwh/100 typical had one.of them too

    Pure value for money ?

    New e-up wife has one

    Used Zoe had 2

    If VW hadn't given me 0% and stupid trade ins I'd have bought an Ioniq 5

    Next car used ioniq6 if I can get over the looks or new seal,unless VW come up trps again



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    #16250
    joe1303l
    Registered Users Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121855781#Comment_121855781

    None of the ID range are exactly “drivers cars” but I know which one I’d rather be trying to sell/trade when I want to move it on.



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    #16251
    Comer1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭Comer1


    We just became a two EV household. My wife bought an ID.3 Life 204 BHP model to go with my ID.4. After driving the ID.3 today, I realised that I had forgotten how nice it is to drive. The power at 204 BHP is so much more responsive than my 174 BHP ID.4. ID.3 is brilliant off the line compared to the id.4



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    #16252
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858910#Comment_121858910

    Yeah they're good at 204 aren't they. We've a cupra born and a 402 bhp etron and the cupra feels every bit as quick accelerating, in reality it's a second slower to 100 but it doesn't feel it. Much nimbler too but it's marketed as hot hatch v big comfortable SUV, you're in much the same boat.

    I've driven the 174 id4 and it's a fair bit slower when giving them both the beans but it's still plenty good enough.



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    #16253
    MRJ
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭MRJ


    ... Or you didn't want to be driving around in oversized shopping basket when there's normally only one person in the car for 90% of the time who does longer journeys.



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    #16254
    Mr Q
    Registered Users Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121857966#Comment_121857966

    I hadn't taken that as you were saying I abused the battery. But it is possible some are mostly DC charged so their degradation could be worse than mostly AC charged ones.

    I would say the car didn't sit for long fully charged, I collected it as soon as it was ready. But before that it is possible.

    In general the battery reading is acting a bit strange. This morning I left at 80%. After 5km the battery was showing 81% and only after 10km did it get down to 79%. This was mostly on 80 and 100km/h road.



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    #16255
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,568 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856506#Comment_121856506

    Not a terrible deal but I’d wait it out for a lower mileage id3, your leaf has little enough further to drop and the id3 has a long way to drop, especially 21 models, if you look at some of the trade in prices being offered. So waiting is only going to be good for you. Considering doing similar with a 21 leave, but waiting for id3 or id4 prices to drop to their appropriate levels off the new pricing. Doesn’t look like that is happening with dealers until new models trickle onto market, but is happening in private market slowly but surely.



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    #16256
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,094 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859952#Comment_121859952

    This morning I left at 80%. After 5km the battery was showing 81% and only after 10km did it get down to 79%

    I've seen that happen. I think its down to temp. The battery would be quite cool after the night and that reduces the range figure. Turning it on later when it will have warmed up a bit, and with possibly some downhill driving, you'll see the SoC go up a percent.

    I've also seen it do the opposite, that when you turn it on, it drops a percent before you drive at all.... again, its just the GOM adjusting from new readings its getting when the car is turned on... i think.



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    #16257
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,178 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860032#Comment_121860032

    Thanks for the advice, you may be right.

    Or perhaps I'd try to sell and buy privately, might be able to save 1k or so that way.



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    #16258
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I was wondering will the ID.3 die off with VW saying the eGolf will return? the original plan was the ID.3 would replace the eGolf and long term the Golf according to some discussions at the time. Now VW saying the eGolf will come back will they run two cars in the same segment?



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    #16259
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861471#Comment_121861471

    Will be called ID Golf apparently



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    #16260
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861493#Comment_121861493

    Thanks, didn't know that. So ID.3 name will die.



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    #16261
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861519#Comment_121861519

    Can't see them running 2 competing models and I did hear ID Golf so yeah, guess id3 will stop being a name



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