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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • #32312
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121851306#Comment_121851306

    All nine Judges agreed that a State level court could not make the decision in isolation which would have overruled the Colorado judgement, however it was a 5-4 decision to say that an act of congress was required to invoke the provision - That came exclusively from the Conservative Judges on the court.

    They kicked to touch and removed the Judiciary from the process entirely , making it a toxic partisan political process rather than a legal one , which is an awful cowardly option.

    Had they instead ruled that it requires a Federal Court decision to invoke the 14th Amendment that would have put them back in the firing line in a few month time as a Federal court somewhere would have ruled against Trump leading to the substantive matter question of "Did he engage in Insurrection?" coming before the Supreme court directly and forced them to make a real ruling.

    Bottom line , they chickened out and made it political and toxic instead of making it about the actual law.



  • #32313
    Stanley 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849812#Comment_121849812

    The only person who has truly, sincerely fallen for Trump is himself.



  • #32314
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121851599#Comment_121851599

    Yes and no. If DC were overwhelmingly Republican, I have no doubt that in practice it would today be more Republicans talking about finding a way to turn most of DC into a State and Democrats arguing against. In this case, as a matter of principle, precedent is very definitely on the side of the Republicans: An active decision was made at the time the District was created that the people who lived there would in effect be kicked out of the States and thus lose their Congressional representation, with the "fix" being retrocession, as implemented for Alexandria County. The current arguments for "turn DC into a State" have really been vocally proposed only in recent years, after the 1980s.

    PR is an entirely different principle and the positions of both parties have generally been the same over the decades: That if the PRians ask, they'll be admitted, this has been a constant position, which is presumably why the NPP has been willing to caucus both with Republicans and Democrats. The fact that the prospective state seems unlikely to tilt overwhelmingly one way or the other is probably why neither party has changed its historical position for pragmatic (i.e senate weight) reasons, but even if they wanted to, I'm not sure there are any arguments against.

    Post edited by Manic Moran on


  • #32315
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121850723#Comment_121850723

    I assume , therefor, that when there is a vacancy in any of the courts -, be it circuit , surpreme or whatever - that it is filled by the president’s choice at the time. I have absence that the President position has been held more by the republican more than the. Democratic side

    so, if the above is the case then your typical court would be slightly leaning towards the ‘republican point of view’



  • #32316
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121852667#Comment_121852667

    " that it is filled by the president’s choice at the time"

    Except from that time when Obama was trying to appoint one and the Republicans blocked it because it was the last year of his term.



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  • #32317
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121851306#Comment_121851306

    BS. It isn’t Unilateral. California can’t decide to kick Trump off South Carolinas ballot.



  • #32318
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If Biden had used his executive authority to increase border security and had then been ruled against by the Supreme Court, would that judgement have swayed pro-Trump voters? Surely, Trump's supporters don't want the US government to disregard the US Constitution, do they?



  • #32319
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853076#Comment_121853076

    It's a cult. NOTHING sways MAGA. Nothing.

    Let that sink in. If they're voting for TFG, it's the ultimate 'Turkeys voting for Xmas.' In yet another random word salad the other day, TFG said he wanted the GOP to be "96% MAGA." All truths come from TFG. All Policies are dictated by TFG to sitting Congressmembers. All must swear obeisance.


    So, your average GOP is MAGA. Non-MAGA GOP are to be limited to just 4% by dictate of the cult leader.



  • #32320
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Biden isn’t in the habit of playing games with the law. That’s a Republican tactic, pass unconstitutional EOs and laws and tie up the courts with losing cases. It’s performative. SCOTUS and the law don’t support a POTUS just “closing the border,” and the Stay in Mexico policy only flew because of a pandemic and Title 42 of the Public Health Service act. That was the point of the Senate border bill, establishing the legal framework for the border to be shut when conditions call for it.



  • #32321
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121852146#Comment_121852146

    I agree with you (and the four Justices) that the ruling does seem to eliminate the idea that a federal court could trigger a section 3 disqualification and that topic need not have been addressed (regardless of outcome). I would have thought that a conviction in federal court ought to be disqualifying. (Granted, there is the argument that the law that the Federal Court was using was written by Congress, so perhaps there's a proxy argument at play. The Opinion did not go that far into the question).

    I disagree with you, however, as to the practical effect in Trump's case, because of all the various charges including the Federal charges laid against him, insurrection was not one of them, so the question of alternate federal processes being disallowed (Is there a third option other than courts or Congress?) has no particular bearing on what happens in the next year.



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  • #32322
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853127#Comment_121853127

    Would Trump still have told the GOP to vote against that Bill even if it didn't include aid for Ukraine?



  • #32323
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853250#Comment_121853250

    Absolutely.

    Trump does not care about anything other than himself.

    ANYTHING that improves something today, under a Biden administration is to be blocked and objected to ,for the single reason that Trump does not want Biden to have any positives to campaign on.

    Trump himself said that he hoped the economy crashed before the election , again just to help him.

    He would destroy anything and everything if he thought it would benefit him personally , nothing else matters.

    If he actually cared about Immigration or the US in general he could have supported the bill and then (not unreasonably to be fair) have said that Bidens policies had failed that the the GOP under his direction had forced him to implement a lot of GOP plans to fix the border etc.

    He would have likely gained some independent support and actually have fixed something.

    Instead he just burns everything down and makes his already guaranteed voters excited.



  • #32324
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,059 ✭✭✭ronjo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853250#Comment_121853250

    I would say 100% yes.

    He doesnt care about anything else other than winning in November



  • #32325
    roosterman71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    All Meta services (bar Whatsapp) are down. Is that going to impact any of the super Tuesday stuff?



  • #32326
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853563#Comment_121853563

    Possibly, how will the AI generated images of Trump be spread now?



  • #32327
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853563#Comment_121853563

    I'm sure those conspiracy lovin types will make up some bull about big tech getting involved via the lizard people or something



  • #32328
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853250#Comment_121853250

    Absolutely.



  • #32329
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,510 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1765063371244949994?s=20

    A further example that tump supporters are sexist assholes.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #32330
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854063#Comment_121854063

    Nothing new there: I remember in 2016 a voxpop where a (white) woman opined that women shouldn't be president and that it was too much responsibility for them. The worst misogynists in America are often conservative women - the Aunt Lydia's if you will.



  • #32331
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    For those complaining about Biden's stance on the Gaza conflict, trump said 'You have to finish the problem'

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-israel-finish-problem-gaza-1234981038/




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  • #32332
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121850723#Comment_121850723

    Hounding Trump? No, just doing their legal duty. Great to see you're still defending the rapist.



  • #32333
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,510 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1765098076635603315?s=20

    "Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya...."

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #32334
    Enter name here
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Enter name here


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854172#Comment_121854172

    And he is exactly right.



  • #32335
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854407#Comment_121854407

    Genocide is never a right answer



  • #32336
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The reality of Biden and Gaza is, Netanyahu is like a dog with a bone and no amount of cajolling, pleading or begging from anyone would get him to stop the massacre. I am sure at this stage practically every world leader has been on the phone with him asking him to drop it.

    Blaming Biden for Gaza is like blaming McDonalds for the soggy chips in Wendy's.



  • #32337
    Enter name here
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Enter name here


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854465#Comment_121854465

    But its not genocide. Its a country defending itself against insurgents. Maybe you need a history lesson.



  • #32338
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854498#Comment_121854498

    You can defend that opinion in the thread for that. The definition for genocide the Holocaust memorial museum publishes matches the description. Don’t tell me they need a history lesson too.



  • #32339
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJRVVgz5aU

    The proportionate response versus the disproportionate response.



  • #32340
    smokingman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭smokingman


    So you enjoy thousands of civilians being murdered when a small group among them tries to fight back?

    This is an Irish site. Maybe you should read our history a bit...



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  • #32341
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,510 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Yeah, so anyway...

    https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1765166563244515752?s=20


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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