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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,115 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Must be a new entrant for the golden circle. I am sure if enough digging is done on him you will find he is politically connected to one of FG or FF. I doubt if the Greens would be allowed put one of their own crony's in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    “The redundancy payment of nearly €400,000 to a former HSE director was signed off by Public Expenditure Minister Paschal Donohoe’s officials as “value for money for the State” after senior health executives asked for it to be approved.

    The HSE also paid for a senior counsel to mediate in talks around the redundancy payment to its former director Dean Sullivan, who received nearly €400,000 after his departure.

    The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform confirmed last night it signed off on the sum after submissions from HSE chief executive Bernard Gloster and Department of Health secretary general Robert Watt.

    The mediation process involving a senior counsel was invoked by the HSE in the case of Mr Sullivan, a former HSE deputy director general who also oversaw strategy since he was appointed on a contract to join the organisation in 2017.

    Mr Sullivan, who was not in a permanent post, was paid in the region of around €200,000. Following talks, he received a redundancy payment amounting to €388,983.

    Mr Sullivan was first appointed in 2017 and was further employed as chief strategy officer from July 2022.”



    Looks like a package to me

    This was from last Friday 1st March 2024.

    Can we once and for all dispense with the nonsense about RTE being some rogue element. These obscene payments take place in the civil service too and it appears that you reach the 2 years salary payout far quicker in the civil service……7 years in the above case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭yagan


    That's all meaningless in the public eye. The public are not going to side with any whiff of rte defenceness when we're being told we told we're not allowed to know what people get paid in a license funded service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭gifted




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,466 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Exactly….In my opinion there is a concerted effort from within RTE and their aide-de-camps in the national media to divert attention

    away from the swamp that is the National Broadcaster.

    How one ‘agent’ got so much power in the National Broadcaster is mind boggling.

    If one were to get really cynical one could be forgiven for surmising that it was an organised attempt to screw John Q TAXPAYER

    for everything they could get, and then put the begging bowl out.

    Its difficult to look at it any other way in my opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,115 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I agree with this except for maybe Aine O'Leary, think she is the part time risk manager that was the one that noticed the irregularities and called in the auditors this time last year just before this thing blew up. I'm not too sure if she got to party like the rest of them

    That whole Dee Forbes management team seems to have been an nest of parasites, not sure if she appointed them all or inherited some and that is just the way things were done. The one who has really annoyed me is Brenda O'Keefe and her carry on with the exit package that she designed and then the way that she came to the committee meeting threw Collins under the bus when he inherited the mess from her and then said she wouldn't attend anymore and was sending messages to others at the meetings telling them what to say. I think if I was working anywhere near her, I'd need to wear a stab vest to stop from getting a knife in the back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    When all this is finally over…..what is the outcome ?

    • Broadcasting charge based on Leo’s preferred route this morning.
    • Few RTE heads gone but most well paid off
    • Politicans get their media profiles enhanced

    So RTE will get their funding model enhanced ……for a fundamentally flawed service but will leave them more careful about going after politicians.

    RTE and the Politicans will be the winners…..and we are the losers both financially and in terms of little reform other than cosmetic stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭yagan


    When Siun use the word "traduce" I knew the plan was to talk down to us.

    It's an attempt to bog down rte deceptions in a quagmire, but the public are reminded daily that if they have a tv they are legally bound to fund unaccountability.

    Those of us with long enough memories haven't forgot how Pat Kenny fought to keep his fee private knowledge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    aye i suppose...GnTs after the canapes in the private box at landsdowne road....ex top dog in KPMG,hmm..do ye mind a fews years ago that young one in a video spouting off how her dad was top man in KPMG...?wonder same person?.....yeah bit of a yachty type look to him all right,great to know where our licence fee/tax money is going to!

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,313 ✭✭✭bigroad


    If the Shinners get in we might see some proper reform of RTE.

    Cant see Leo and co doing anything meaningful as some of the employees seem to have political connections .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The Media Committee extended an invitation to herself and Forbes to appear before it. Her statement has already been submitted. If she takes up the invitation and repeats this to the committee then Martin is in a lot of trouble. There seems to be an attempt to try saving Martin by FFG but Catherine Murphy/SocDems has asked for time in the Dail for Martin to answer questions. This does not appear to be having the quiet ending for which Martin hoped.

    The optics for FFG are terrible on this as it seems like a nice little old lady being bullied by an incompetent and out-of-touch minister and then blamed for that minister's incompetence. Turns out that the nice little old lady is a formidable corporate politician who is causing a lot of problems for FFG and knows how to play the game of influencing the public better than them.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭csirl


    None of these people are civil servants. These are people working for state agencies - much the same as RTE. As stated earlier, exit packages on resignation do not exist in the civil service. That RTE is not the only state agency doing so does not make it right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,115 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Martin won't be answering questions in the Dáil. The government will either say no and drag this out for another few days and the Dáil breaks for St Patrick's. Martin will be delighted to get out of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    I think that sh!show could be run on one third of its current budget. It is devoid of originality and always was. And the nepotism of course has been mentioned. Whatever the latest fad is , they will go with it. Nothing screams this like their ridiculous brainstorm pieces on the RTE website. Where Ireland's fruit juice drinkers and polyamory advocates get their indulgences boosted at the license payers expense.

    I always thought the nepotism was overstated until I heard an interview/report a few years ago on drive time with a WIT academic about a regional economics report. The report after that was introduced by Abie Philbin Bowman. I have seen Abie on the comedy circuit and his biggest fan is Abie Philbin Bowman.I would be astonished if he was hired on the back of his own talent. Not long before that Frank MacNamara was plugging his son on the LLS.

    The whole thing needs to be stripped down to the core and there needs to be a salary cap of around 175k.

    There is enough competent regional journalists to put on a type of rotation with regard to presenting programming.

    Let's hope CM's political career dies the death of a thousand cuts. That will be worth the license fee for 2024 at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If the Dail committee says she has to answer questions then she has to answer questions. Otherwise it looks like FFG is trying to save her at the expense of democracy. And the voters will remember.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The Reithian approach dates from a time when people couldn't tune out, because there were literally no other options.

    We have viable commercial broadcasters happy to show sport and soaps funded solely by advertising.

    It's completely unjustifiable to apply a levy to the whole population to fund something the free market will pay for. The idea that we'll trick people into watching highbrow programmes through scheduling is a bit laughable, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭yagan


    Right now voters believe there's a golden circle running rte and yet the public is the one threatened constantly with prosecution via rte ads for not funding the gravy train.

    Siun may feel she's in the right, but in an arrangement that's not transparent.

    Plus she's wasn't sacked, she flounced and this "traduce" fightback projects only privileged arrogance, a harder more entrenched tubridy tantrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo



    “THE Department of Health's top civil servant is retiring on a package of €540,000 after securing a boost to his pension.

    But secretary general Michael Scanlan is not availing of the early retirement scheme for the public service, which ends this month.

    He is the latest in a raft of top civil servants to retire in recent months, including fellow secretary general Dermot McCarthy, who sparked controversy with his gold-plated €730,000 retirement package.”


    Civil servants get packages too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭csirl


    These arent exit packages. These are their contributory pensions on mandatory retirement! They are not negotiated - there is a formula based on contributions/number of years worked as per other retirement pension schemes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 sekefhiijj


    Why aren't the media probing the Chris Greene thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭DrZeuss


    Mr Stanley said that this is a "forward-looking report", any future exit agreements should not have confidentiality clauses and "people who are on those types of salaries shouldn't expect them".

    I still don't understand why there should be any exit packages. If someone is not doing their job then discipline them, and if they want to leave then why pay them off. It just seems bonkers to me that there's such a thing as an exit package (and so many of them).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The Government thought Catherine dodged a bullet last week but Siún has fired an Exocet that will sink her.

    Her detailed statement challenges the Minister's account on a series of points and destroys Catherine's line of defence. It is worth reading in full.

    Last week, the Minister said she was unable to express confidence in the Chair of RTÉ because Siún repeatedly misled her about the exit packages and then refused to meet with her. Siún statement gives specific details to refute both those claims. Especially damaging is the fact that, contrary to the Minister's claims last week, she did not meet regularly with the Chair over the past year and preferred to deal with RTÉ via her civil servants.

    The Minister's intervention in late February, after being "hands-off" throughout the crisis in RTÉ, was disastrous. The Taoiseach and other Cabinet Ministers eventually had to rally around her because the coalition deal means that only Eamon Ryan can get rid of Green Party Ministers but the Green Party structures make it impossible for him to get rid of his Deputy Leader. She seemed to survive unscathed the lengthy Oireachtas Committee discussion and the Dáil debate. But now Siún says the Minister has lied to everyone.

    If she can't rebut Siún claims, that would be the effective end of her career. Would this Government continue with a zombie Minister in such a sensitive portfolio?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭yagan


    This is rte, know your place pleb.

    Now back to watching "dancing with the staff".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    They are exit packages……


    “Mr McCarthy, who was secretary general to the government for eleven years and also secretary general to three Taoisigh, retired in July.

    In addition to his annual pension of €142,670, he also received a lump sum of €428,011 and a special severance package of €142,670 bringing his overall payment to €713,351.

    Mr McCarthy was Bertie Ahern’s chief advisor during the Northern peace process negotiations and was in a pivotal government position, even attending Cabinet meetings, during the economic meltdown and the bailout from the EU/IMF.

    All civil servants are entitled a lump sum of 1.5 times their final salary on retirement. Only the highest earners pay tax on this amount.”



    So based on the above 713k, he got a special severance package of 142k

    The scheme refers to 1.5 times final salary, but they didn’t apply that. He was on 208k when he left but they applied his pre crash salary of 285k so that he would get more. That benefitted him to the tune of over 110k.

    So 250k of that package was a nice little sweetener.

    Please remember that Mr Mc Carthy left when we were under the control of the troika, a time in which we were told about extra taxes, new taxes and here is the state trying to made the termination pay as big as they can.


    My point all along since I started contributing to this thread, was that RTE behaviour was more of a learned behaviour rather than them doing something way out of kilter with the rest of the PS/Civil Service. Maybe the RTE severance payments are also made on the some contractual arrangement as with civil service terms, but we will never know as the Politicans are too busy grandstanding to ask pertinent follow up questions.

    I have no interest in RTE continuing in anything like its current form, and I see this whole 8 months culminating in the PAC report today …..as yet another wasted opportunity in this state.

    We are great at tribunals of inquiry, great at reports, and awful at implementing reform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭csirl


    What strikes me most from the SNR statement is her belief that the exit packages issue was closed as it had been dealt with months earlier by the RTE renumeration committee etc.

    Just because RTE had "dealt' with something, it doesnt mean the Department considers it closed. In the hierarcical struture, RTE committees and its Board are further down the foodchain to the Department, which is the de facto owner of the organisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Looking at it cynically, they prevent legal problems in that the cost of defending a legal action against getting rid of someone is evaluated and they are paid to go away quietly.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭RoTelly



    Terence O’Rourke - KPMG guy

    Terri Moloney - Human Resources gal

    Dr Neasa Hardiman - Nepobaby Okay okay but its true (She desined the RTÉ logo btw and I think her father composed the RTÉ news theme)


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,466 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Jaysus……One of those Hardimans!!!

    Theres always one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Will they be enough to fix some of the fundamental problems with RTE?

    Regards...jmcc



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