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Best Electricity Plan for new EV Owners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭fafy


    Will suit some granted, particularly if one is tied to the house with young kids, but it is very restrictive for those who don’t want to be washing/drying clothes all day on a weekend day, and when you can only EV charge, on one specific day of the week. There is zero flexibility with this setup, and there are other methods of achieving similar savings, but without the limitations. Apart from that, for me and others, the tariff is a no go, as we have a Heatpump, but then i’ve no gas bill for heating.

    I suppose everyone has unique circumstances, which are all different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭Core6


    Energypal's figures matched my own calculations exactly.

    I used my real 12 month usage on my own spreadsheet with the various electricity suppliers rates and matched Energypals results - well I just checked the top 3 or 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    Would anyone be willing to share their HDF file who has an EV and who has changed their usage to the 2-5/2-6 window? Might help some of us. Edit it first in notepad to replace the MPRN with 1234567890 etc?

    Or I guess someone could create a dummy file?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭uli84


    Sorry new to this,

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    Is this a good plan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    It's not bad at all, if you can charge enough in 4 hrs to cover your daily commute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight


    Works for us too. Not that restrictive really... car charges in about 3 to 4 hours .... start at 8 you're done by noon. Or be out all day an charge from 6 or 7 pm. Or any combination that works for you. As for the other stuff, well put on wash and dishwasher first thing, and do one or two more later in the day, or whenever suits during the day. A second car helps of course if you have a run-around.

    The 37 c is high, but remember that everything on the free is at zero, so you can discount about 14% off that rate to give a 'real' 7 day rate, before you transfer anything from the other days to Saturday.

    As always, depends on your own circumstances, but don't rule this one out, it's well worth considering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭crl84


    Well it's not as if you can't put on the washing machine or dishwasher on a non-free day.....We still put on a dishwasher load midweek.

    A washing machine uses about 1kw per cycle, so you're talking a difference of a about 10cent between running it on the EI 24hr rate on the other 6 days, versus running it on a day rate from other providers. Dishwasher is a maybe 5c more....

    A full charge for the EV gives about 350km-450km range per week depending on time of year, which is more than enough for us. In the rare weeks that we'd be driving more than that, it would usually be for work, which has free chargers, so zero need to charge at home during the week.

    Hasn't been restrictive for us at all, as we're here most Sundays for most of the day either way.

    It's 2pm and all washing and drying done, dishwasher done, EV fully charged and PHEV plugged in now...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Thoughts on the Energia smart drive plan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The 4 hour charging window is better than most, and the rate outside that time isn't as crushing as some others

    If you can get what you need in that time then it probably makes sense. Particularly if you have a solar battery you can charge up as well

    However because careful of the 1000kWh usage limit every 2 months, after that the rate goes up a bit

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,861 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Thanks for that. Hadn't spotted the 2 month limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I like my weekends off. That would be a nightmare for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,126 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    It's a tiny jump if you exceed the rate, would you use 1000Kw in two months? Don't dismiss the plan over a few cent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭Dozz


    It only goes up by 1 cent or so and that is on the units used over 1000Kw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Anyone ever work out the value per km one gets from EVs vs petrol cars?

    So my 142 Seat Toledo gets me 900km for roughly €90 these days. 10c a km lets say

    Chargin a 62kv leaf at night on 25c per kv around 15 quid which gets about 300km. 5c a km

    Assuming no public charging and not tearing arse out of the car with the pedal, we're looking at about half price per km in my case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    My old avensis was doing like 600km for 60 euro. Probably costs more now though. At one point it was 100euro to fill it.


    I have an EV rate. 8c per kW. My EV is doing 400km on average. It would cost €6 to fill it from 0%.

    So 8 euro to give the same 600km. That's quite a saving. 7 and a half times less.

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    So you're at half. I'm moving out of a 520d m sport which currently does approx 400-450 kms per week for approx 50-55€ into a BYD Seal in a couple of weeks.

    I would be hoping to do that same mileage for less than a tenner on the Energia cheap-charge night rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    How does one get those cheap night rates. 8c seems really good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Just do your homework, select what you feel is the best plan for your household, contact the supplier offering that deal and sign up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,438 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    By my basic maths we can do that for about 7.60 in our seal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭staples7


    Im on a decent Flogas rate 14c night 33c day. but im also thinking of moving to the energy EV rate.

    All I would be losing really is 5hrs of my night rate, day rate stays the same. And I should easily be still able to get my half EV charge and any washing machine etc in that 2-6 window. Also I have mostly free Solar energy during day anyway. plus Energia FIT is 5c more than flogas..

    Only thing holding me back is I run a HP by night so very cold winter weather I may struggle with just 4 hours. but I would hope to have a solar battery to help situation by then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭✭dodzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I averaged 1.9c/km in my ID.4 last year, charging from a mix of Flogas night rate and solar

    Highest was 3.2c/km in December which was almost entirely from the grid

    Lowest was 0.03c/km in June which was almost entirely from solar

    Those measurements are based on the readings at the charger which includes any charging losses and would represent the actual cost

    EDIT: For some context my last petrol car was a 2007 Toyota Auris which got around 6l/100km. At €1.70/l of petrol that gives 10.2c/km. So that's an 80% saving roughly

    However a 17 year old petrol hatchback isn't really comparable to a 3 year old SUV in terms of consumption anyway so it's probably even more of a saving compared to a Tiguan or similar

    Post edited by the_amazing_raisin on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    The savings are commendable but cliff edge depreciation would put a serious dent in your savings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,782 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The solution to that going forward is buy a used one thats lost the worst of its depreciation. Avoid buying a new one thats over priced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Okay the example was about fuel savings, if you're going to chuck in depreciation then that's a whole other analysis

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭CivilEx


    Don't forget maintenance and other running costs too if you are chucking stuff in!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm not chucking anything in 😉

    There's no point in comparing things like depreciation on your current car versus a new one because unless you bought your current car in the previous 5 mins it'll already lost a chunk of value so further depreciation will not be as severe versus new

    In that case it's almost always cheaper to keep the car you have as long as possible (which is generally better financially, but people like new things sometimes)

    If you want to do TCO analysis then you need to consider like for like IMO or else it just doesn't make sense

    In any case the original question was about fuel/electricity costs so I didn't expand on it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭CivilEx


    I take great pleasure when anyone asks me "how much does it cost to fill up the EV" and I tell them - "about €10 when I charge at home".

    You can almost see the gears turning inside their heads trying to work it out :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭✭dodzy




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