Trans Women's Milk Just as good as mothers breast milk - threadbans in OP

Most of the people who are for this have conceded that "there is no evidence of harm" is the best supporting statement they have (because studies have not been done, because until yesterday this would have been considered madness and child protective services would have rightly taken great interest in anyone who tried it).

Aside from all of the discussion about whether a male (of any identity) can, through the use of synthetic hormones, produce a high enough quantity (highly unlikely) or quality (highly unlikely) of galactorrhea secretions to sustain a newborn through infancy, it is a wildly insane and dangerous position to be in where some in our society will advocate the potential mistreatment and harm of a vulnerable and entirely dependent child on the basis "there's no evidence of the harm nobody's ever looked for" in order to 'affirm' the proclaimed identity of an adult.

I'm sure there are enough plucky trans-identifying males out there to get proper, larger-scale studies done on expressed galactorrhea secretions. Let's get the evidence first, and make decisions when the verdict is in. Until then, a male (of any gender identity) trying to feed a newborn, is (at best) playing dangerously loosely with the health and wellbeing of the child.

The fact that some humans are born with congenital anomalies does not indicate that those anomalies are part of the normal range of "healthy" humans. Similarly, the fact that a tiny number of humans are born with both sets of genital organs does not change the fact that humans, like all mammals, are a dimorphic species.

Sex really is binary - despite the existence of the occasional congenital defect.

That was my reading

There's no evidence because we haven't done enough tests to confirm if a trans woman's chest liquid dies contain colostrum etc etc....

Id suspect when they do it won't be equivalent in quantity or quality either...but what do I know!

Apart from anything else, you’re wildly overestimating the resources any State body with responsibility for children’s welfare has at their disposal in order to investigate the cases you might be referring to, they don’t have the resources to investigate circumstances where there are reports substantiated by compelling evidence of children at risk, let alone are they likely to show any interest in cases where there is no evidence that children are at risk. The Courts have an incredibly high barrier that must be overcome in any case before they will consider that any case warrants the removal of a child from the family home - it’s not generally in the best interests of the child to do so.

Let's get the evidence first, and make decisions when the verdict is in. 

How do you propose such evidence is gathered if you’re proposing that parents be prohibited from breastfeeding their own children until such a point where it is determined by others that sufficient evidence has been gathered? Bit of a catch 22 situation there while you expect that parents are going to wait around while someone else makes decisions about their ability to care for their own children.

That’s not even getting into the discussion about the fact that under Irish and European law there’s that whole respect for private and family life thing that stands in the way of your ability to force other people to adhere to your standards in the provision of care for their own children. There’s plenty of evidence of the outcomes of what you’re suggesting and how those decisions have generally turned out for individuals, families and society - it suggests the outcomes generally aren’t positive, which is why your idea is a non-starter, apart from all the other reasons why it just wouldn’t be feasible.

By expressing (pumping) the galactorrheal secretions of trans-identifying males and measuring the quantity, quality and hormone content of them to see if they constitute nutritious human milk that can be produced at sufficient quantity and with low enough hormone/medication content that it could nourish a human infant without adverse effects.

I would have thought that would be pretty obvious.

The rights of the child and the right of the state to intervene where the child's parent(s) are derelict in their duty to the extent that the child's safety and wellbeing are likely to be prejudicially affected were put into the constitution in 2015 after the 2012 referendum.

A child's safety and wellbeing are prejudicially affected by malnutrition.

So let's do the research and find out if male galactorrheal secretions can do the job.

I will still be disgusted by any adult using the nutrition of their child to affirm their gender identity, but my personal disgust is no reason that other people should not do things - once they are proved to not be taking undue risk with society's most vulnerable.

It's critical for trans ideologues though; because of this very rare condition sex isn't binary hence there is an infinite number.

Everything else is faith based, so they hold onto it.

Similar here, I haven't read the whole thread but has anyone linked the scientific paper? What did they compare? Just macro and micro nutrients? Did they test for live cultures, check for residual hormones etc etc.

Google scholar is full of papers showing the benefits of mother's milk, for all types of reasons.

It'll need very substantial evidence to say they are similar.

I know where my money is.

And FFS there is no such thing as a male cow.

Good luck finding volunteers for that study when you’re suggesting they could be subject to prosecution for child neglect. Under what you’re proposing it would be impossible to gather evidence of anything, that’s why it wasn’t obvious how evidence would be gathered if it were prohibited for parents to breastfeed their children with the idea that doing so could possibly constitute child neglect.

There would have to be evidence of malnutrition or neglect, and those criteria already apply regardless of parents decisions regarding breastfeeding or other means of ensuring their children are healthy and safe. The States track record in that regard doesn’t lend itself to the idea that they are capable of providing the necessary resources to support children in the care of the State.

Everything else is faith based, so they hold onto it. 

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I know where my money is.

Well that’s not faith based at all, is it? 🤔

And of course Google Scholar is choc-a-bloc with papers showing the benefits of mother’s milk, given that was the objective of most of the research into the benefits of breastfeeding over other alternative methods of nutrition for infants such as animal or plant based formula feed:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/baby/breastfeeding-and-bottle-feeding/bottle-feeding/types-of-formula/

What are your credentials to smear them as unhealthy

It's manufactured outrage over nothing signicant at all.