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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,533 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I'm starting to think he won't make it to Nov folks.

    We have just over 8 months to go.

    He has a shed load more legal woes between now and then, and seems to be getting much worse on stage.

    I think those two ruling completely rocked him.

    It's like his infallibility aura is gone.

    When was the last time he was properly rattled on stage.

    I think people and donors will start to pull away.

    Nikki might have to stay on a little longer, but she just might eek it.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Yeah but we still haven't had any criminal convictions. Also trump won't drop out as that'd mean accepting reality, something donnie hasn't done, ever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,787 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Donnie approaches legal issues the same way as Enoch Burke. His cult is completely devoted. As long as he is alive he wont give in.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He's about to make ~$4B from the IPO of truth social.

    The MAGA day trader loons have pumped the stock to $75 , up from $17 in a few months

    At that price, Trump gets $4B!!!

    Morons and their money, eh?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Cults don't give up: indeed the more the gravity well of reality presses, the more they fight. This will get worse before it gets better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    But if he's banned from doing business in new york as per his last judgement, doesn't that affect his ability to float tooth social on the new York stock exchange? Or am I missing something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    On the issue of appealing the judgement. Trump has two avenues; one is lodging the entire judgement amount in the next 30 days, and I doubt he can raise that amount in 30.

    Second course is obtaining a bond for that amount, usually sustaining a 10% non-refundable fee, but that also requires trump to submit a financial statement that's he's good for the total amount.

    Now maybe I'm being skeptical, but what bond company will accept such a statement given that the conviction he is appealing is for issuing dodgy financial statements in the first place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,550 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    He will attempt to sue the bond companies (or find a GQP leaning one which will bypass the checks and fold when he loses the appeal)



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I don’t share your confidence.

    I would like to think that it will persuade those that are sitting in the fence not to vote for him, obviously his base will remain loyal as they will remain convinced that it is all a conspiracy no matter what happens.

    One way or the other 2024 will be fascinating.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    How he keeps making this even more pathetic and sad at this point is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,410 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Pretty sure he'll still be contesting the election in November, but I wouldn't mind being wrong on that one whatsoever.

    Legal jeopardy doesn't hurt his polling among his base.

    Cash judgements against him, he can sell more MAGA tat and ask for donations.

    Convicted felons can still run for president, they just aren't allowed to vote.

    I don't see any issue that would prevent him getting to November, save for some force majeure thing like a sudden health problem.

    Even those who said they'd change their mind if got convicted, I'm not sure that it would actually be a bridge too far were a conviction to happen, given what they're already prepared to stick by him through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,550 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Discrimination or something, his legal advisors know how to abuse the system even if he loses every case eventually.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He's banned from being an "officer" of a company, not from owning shares , so as long as he's not listed on the board he's ok sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Add to that the likelyhood that The Presidency is all Donnie has now left to avoid disaster. His 4 years in the White House gave him a welcome pause from the financial & legal troubles that were already on their way to get him prior to 2016. I imagine him to be desperate to get in there to gain access to the Magic Pause Button that being POTUS appeared to offer him. So he will hold on for dear life to stay on the ballot until November. Even if the GOP suddenly kicked him off the ticket in favor of Haley, he would still run, because he has no choice.

    If all goes as we hope, and Donnie loses in November, there will be all kinds of hell from the MAGA cult. This was going to be the case regardless, but out of desperation Trump is likely going to try for a repeat of Jan 6 and I suspect he’ll openly call for a coup this time. Once that fails, we’ll still be left with MAGA for the foreseeable, but Donnie’s days will likely be numbered. Without his businesses or anything close to a billion to his name he will eventually start to disintegrate. It might take years, and during that time we’ll get more of what we’ve had for the past 4 years, until finally he loses what few marbles he had left or his decrepit frame will succumb to nature.

    Only then we’ll be left with his wretched legacy to deal with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,533 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Imagine he does win 2024, with debts of over a half billion.

    Plenty of secrets he can sell.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,533 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I'm not saying he definitely won't.

    What I am saying is I see much more weakness and vulnerability than I've seen before.

    The one thing he can hammer Biden on (age, gaffs) he can't because he's worse.

    He can't criticise Putin over the murder.

    He can't say he is impervious to lawsuits.

    He's a **** load of court dates which *will* impact the independent/swing voters. (**** his base).

    That debt is significant and if he can be sued over Jan 6, there will be more law suits from those injured such as law enforcement which, if successful, will have substantial payouts.

    I know people will say he will get through it because he always does, well that doesn't take into account the phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back".

    Something will give, and I'm beginning to think maybe it'll "give" this side of November.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,410 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @everlast75

    The one thing he can hammer Biden on (age, gaffs) he can't because he's worse.

    He can. Not because he has the high ground, but because that's what he has been doing with various rivals/enemies of his for pretty much his whole political career such that it is normalised. He uses 'crooked' as a nickname for several such people and everyone seems to have largely gotten sick of pointing out the ridiculous irony.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,883 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I'm thinking his plan is:

    get elected POTUS

    Pardon himself as much as he can

    Resign, and let the VP do the heavy lifting for "Project 2025."

    Deal with the state-level lawsuits that will likely be ongoing throughout 2024 and beyond.

    Then, he can continue to be influential in GOP politics - his rallies will be on behalf of some candidate but it'll be the TFG show, make no mistake. He'll continue the grift. I do love how it's Scientologists running his GoFundme, original grifters helping a current one. I remember a quote, weirdly I think it was from L. Sprague de Camp, who said, "And to think, I knew L. Ron Hubbard when he was just a small-time crook."

    Can't find the source though.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If he gets elected, All court cases stop for the duration.

    He can't pardon himself out of the State level ones but they will be put on hold until he's out of office.

    But he'll use the time to remove the prosecutors so the cases die.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    There's a massive amount of wishful thinking in the posting about Trump here.

    Much as I wish he would simply go away (by being imprisoned, incapacitated or just dying) and take his hateful MAGA movement with him, we also have to recognise that he is more likely than not to win in November. And, given that Ireland's entire economic model is predicated on US FDI, we will have to come to terms with President Trump v2.0.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,533 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "we also have to recognise that he is more likely than not to win in November"

    What are you basing this view on?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,671 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I don’t see it. Apart from everything else, his core support hasn’t really changed. Enough to win a GOP nomination, not nearly enough to win a presidency.

    I don’t think there are too many undecideds anymore - everyone knows what you get with Trump(which is basically nothing, he is running for personal protection from prosecution more than anything else) and most Americans categorically do not want him as president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Fair point but...they also don't want Biden either. People have been sold on the idea that he is past it (fairly or unfairly) and his approval ratings are at levels that are fatal for a sitting president.

    One group of people who are good at pricing markets are bookies. They all have Trump as favourite and Biden is at more than twice his odds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    See my post above.

    Biden's favourability ratings have been in the toilet for a long time. This is terrible news for his chances in November.

    Also; the context has changed. The last election was a referendum on Trump. This one will be a referendum on Biden (unless he steps aside, which he should).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Don't get me wrong by the way. I'd rather vote for a comatose Biden than a vigorous Trump!

    But, at this point, Trump is favourite.

    The good news is that can change through events or, even better, a new Dem candidate.



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