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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    And yet go to the government every single year with cap in hand saying you're broke and need more money.

    Laughable if it wasn't so serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You'd have to think that Coveney, Doherty et al made several dangerous enemies in the theatre/ panto business when they dreamt up TSTM. It was obvious at the time with grumblings from those in the commercial sector. Did quiet skulduggery go on in the background at the time & after, to make sure the project failed and would never be repeated. Is TSTM the key plank that fell and started exposing the wanton waste of taxpayers money in RTE, further extending to Tubridy and all others since?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Was it rounded down from 250 and that's a serious question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    I remember a lot of the theatre/ panto being pretty vocal about it when it was announced. The show had a unlimited budget and all the free advertising a show could want.

    I am not overly fond of the people behind the Gaiety Panto. Al Porter is the scriptwriter and has been for a number of years. But the Christmas panto/theatre pot is only so big. It is hard to compete with a show that has unlimited resources.

    The whole way they did the thing was insane. No workshoping it. Just lauching a full show running for weeks without a script in place. No big name cast, no established musical theatre. Nothing. I know its an existing IP. But people at home are not paying 100 yoyos a ticket to watch The Toy Show.

    RTE are typically risk adverse so it is a suprising road to go down. I understand the usual way a musical is developed is that writers are found. They work on a script for a few months. Then workshop it with the actors. Have a small limited run, to see what works with the audience and what dosen't. Then rewrites, another workshop. Then maybe a full launch for the show. I don't understand why this wasn't the case here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It looks like RTE had developed a culture of working a few years and then when you decide to leave for another job, you'll get a hefty reward.

    And they are broke.

    Kevin Bachurst has proved utterly disappointing by keeping Adrian Lynch and Eimear Cusack. And keeping the handshake payments culture going.

    His position is becoming more and more untenable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    I think a lot of it was the blind thought they believed that the whole nation was utterly in love with the Late Late Toy show. People couldn't help but buy tickets.

    If it's anything like my extended family. Kids and young wans aren't THAT interested in the LL toyshow. They aren't the main viewership.

    In truth very few kids were pulling on Mam and Dad's sleeves to get tickets to the big show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The Toy Show changed from a show about toys to a showcase for Tubridy's prancing about. The toys became accessories to that. Even TSTM was a continuation of Tubridy's obsession with misery. Now, they're all miserable in RTE. Le Misérable himself has got a gig on Virgin Radio.

    Regards...jmcc

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It was a classic case of believing your own hype. The Toy Show is clearly a huge annual event within RTE and is hyped no end by them. They clearly thought that because the TS was important to them, it must be important to everyone. Turns out it wasn't.

    What's worse though is how the whole show was procured. Before even having a script they had the venue booked and locked in. Such an unproven and risky venture should have had a major element of risk sharing with the venue even if there was a substantial cost. That would have made it much easier to pull the plug when the opening days of ticket sales were so disappointing. These days it can be predicted with a good accuracy how successful a show will be based on the initial demand for tickets.

    In fact the right way would have been a short run in a small theatre to prove the concept. There is often a fear of risk taking and consequently innovation is stifled in the public sector so I don't want to criticise them for trying something different. The big mistake was to go all out on a massive unproven production. Risk should always be measured. I suppose it circles back to the start of this post - they thought anything that they slapped Toy Show branding on would be loved and blinded them to the massive risk they were taking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,272 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    No kid wants to go see a feckin musical. I reackon people watch the Toy Show out of nostalgia from when it was good,the pre internet days when a show about toys was like crack for a kid.

    My memories of it was the singing, dancing bits got in the way of the toys.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Indeed, my memories were of "get those fukin Billy Barry's off and back to the toys. And Dustin."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    If there was a subscription for the Toy Show, hardly anyone would pay for it.

    That's no denying it's massive popularity in Ireland and seems like a national tradition now.

    But it doesn't transfer to wanting to spend money on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Rory's role became redundant, an exit payment was offered by RTÉ and accepted by Rory, and with no backfill being made RTÉ will recoup that payment by July of this year," 


    I'm not sure they understand the word recoup?? But nothing new there.

    (He got a years salary by the way)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Companies I think and I can stand corrected on this are entitled to claim part of the cost of redundancy from the State. They also have to notify the State in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Presumably Collins, who didn't know his own salary, got a year's pay in his exit payment as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Shame he doesn't know what he got. :) He did seem like the fall guy for the previous management though.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭inajock


    Played the part convincingly I'll give him that but while we all felt bad for him at the PAC he's out the door side left with a couple of hundred thousand euros in his arse pocket for a good days work and the eye off him with an NDA issued by a sky fairy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The toy show musical was the perfect example of the complete lack of respect they have for the license payer. A total punt which nobody would take if their own money was at risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I think RTE position is, because they are not paying him this year, or someone to replace him, they are making the money back (i.e. recouping)


    Just like... if they don't spend/waste 2.2M on the Toy Show musical again this year, they are recouping the money they lost last year/or the year before!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭DrZeuss


    I think Bakhurst needs to explain why he okay'd a confidentiality agreement with the CFO in the new era of transparency....and if he does he's donzo too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,695 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Can I get a refund for all my years paying, seriously can we demand

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,699 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    They aren't recouping anything. They spent that money and it's gone. The licence fees are well under forecast, so there's a growing hole this year and no one seems to be predicting any kind of profit from which the money is recouped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Danny Drier


    Is Kevin Bakhurst exposed here? Does he need to consider his position?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,203 ✭✭✭mountain


    Can you imagine the payoff he will give himself if he leaves or is pushed…



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He didn't know his own salary. Maybe he doesn't know what his exit package was.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1,250 licence fees.

    All RTE spending should now be denominated in both Euro and licence fees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭Trampas


    I assume they won’t let anyone else go so they can question them. Really they can’t be surprised people are not paying. Tens of thousands of people’s fee paying towards people getting golden handshake after spurring millions which should never have. Like the hse and other government departments they just spend money without care or accountability. From the corner shop to big multinationals 99% of these companies know where the money goes and someone is accountable for it. Same doesn’t seem to be in public related areas. Spend money and just ask for more when it’s running out. How many people work in public sector and just clocking in hours and add no value. Private sector and more than likely you’ll be end up doing something and make you move on if not let go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    What will be his exit package? Has it been negotiated already or is it based on prior cases?



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  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Based on Coveney and O'Keeffe exit packages you'd expect somewhere between 1,250 and 2,812 licence fees.



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