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Battery - to take advantage of 2am to 5am cheap rate electricity - v2

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Suppose charge to full at 4am, dump at full rate so battery is empty/low by 8/9.. I'd say it's doable 😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Import 45 units, produce 100 units, use 25 units yourself, so indeed: export 120 units

    So yes 3 hours of importing 15kW (=45) and 21 hours of exporting 5.7kW (=120). Only a boggo NC6 required for this


    Should be the same for your setup. This time next year, irishchris, we'll be millionairs!



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Close to doable, discharge at full NC6 limit for 21hours at a combination of PV and Battery discharge

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Like the sounds of that delboy 💰💲

    Definitely food for thought for mine too 👍

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    I watched the video and 98% of it went over my head but I have a few questions. I currently have 20 panels,6kw Solis hybrid inverter and 1×5kWh dyness battery.

    Would this Gobel battery be compatible with my system?

    Will it work alongside the Dyness battery?

    How ready to go are they for the inexperienced person? How many kWh can be used?

    Do they require any ongoing technical maintenance?

    Do they affect the warranty of the original system?

    My aim was to get an additional battery but this appears to be a similar price.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭oaklands


    So yes 3 hours of importing 15kW (=45)

    @unkel I presume an additional 10kW of battery chargers are needed for this unless my sums are wrong? (Charging from a 5kW/NC6 Inverter for 3 hours would get a nominal 15kWh vs 45kWh above)

    If so, I would be interested to hear how the chargers would be all wired up(in parallel?).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I use a 3kW rectifier from AliExpress, paid €70 for it including shipping from adverts.ie 😀 I also have a 4kW PSU made from HP Server PSUs. Not in use at the moment

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭oaklands


    I was doing some further searching on the topic & came across this on ESBN site. Summary below with more details via the link above.

    Seems to suggest that over the 3 hour EV window, that (assuming no EV in the mix) the realistic max with 12KVA after losses would be around 30kWh of battery charge per night? This would increase to circa 40kWh per night with a 16kVA connection. They also state that the max demand below is averaged over 10 mins so the figures above might be de-rated for the full 3 hour continuous window.

    An EV could take a big chunk out of all this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Nah, that must be ancient or some very safe bottom limits that they have to guarantee or something. I draw 42kWh every night in my 3 hours of night rate on my 12kVA connection. So on average 14kW

    Post edited by graememk on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Yes perfectly compatible with solis as that is what I connected it to.

    Not in conjunction with dyness but could sell it and get second gobel

    Plug and play. 12kwh usable if discharging to 15%

    No ongoing maintenence above any other battery

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Was there much work connecting it? It seems good value compared to an installer battery.

    Will a dyness and a gobel not work on the same system?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Literally just connect positive cable, negative cable and the can communication cable.

    Then connect PC to it via the rs485 cable that comes with it and select pylontech battery.

    That's it. Then just enjoy the extra capacity of the battery

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Had a look at the Gobel battery tonight. Seems the price has dropped by another couple of hundred euro. If you're a brave person you could save yourself the payment fee of another hundred or so by paying via bank transfer.

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    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭NedNew2


    Nice! Is the rectifier connected to the same AC line that feeds the inverter?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭PCDub


    Cheers unkel. Quick question, are epoxy separator's required between the cells? I forgot to order some when getting the cells.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I never used any separators, but I use CALB cells that are rigid and have cooling fins, not EVE cells that have much thinner and more flexible enclosure

    Post edited by graememk on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Oh no. Inverter has its own exclusive AC line, AC disconnect and RCBO into the consumer unit. The rectifier is fed from a wall socket (high quality, newly installed)

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭PCDub


    Yeah those CALB cells have the ideal case for DIY. Check voltages on cells and all showing 3.29 so happy with that. Just need to get some ring terminals for the bms and think about whether to use a separator between the cells, especially as i wont be compressing the cells.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,439 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    quick question, apologies if it's already been answered: if you have an EV and a battery system, can they both charge off the grid at the same time (say between 2am and 5am 🙂 ) or would that exceed the load for a domestic grid connection.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    Post edited by graememk on

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    You'd be fine depending on battery charge rate.

    An electric shower is 9kW for example

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yep. I draw 14kW constantly between 2AM and 5AM every single night (on a bog standard 12kVA connection). Half of that is for my cars, the other half mostly for my battery, I might have an appliance or two running sometimes as well. If there is anything at all left out of that 14kW, it goes towards heating my hot water.

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    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭NedNew2


    Thanks - sounds like a great way to get those batteries charged. It's something I might consider in the near future.

    So is the rectifier output connected directly to the terminals of the battery/batteries as is the inverter? Is there any isolation required or is that automatically handled by the BMS, rectifier and inverter?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Christ no. Positive is connected to its own breaker, then to positive busbar (along with the other positives, like the one from the inverter). Negative is connected to negative busbar, which is connected to a heavy duty breaker and then on to P- side of the BMS. Gotta protect your battery / cells!

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭NedNew2


    Good stuff, I was trying to picture it in my head. Much appreciated.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Duine_Eigin


    Would anything be stopping you from feeding the rectifier directly with a V2L input? I know you have a lot of battery capacity already but for those with smaller batteries, it could be a good way to get access to more battery capacity for a relatively small investment.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    That would work!

    You could actually charge a battery through the generator input on a sunsynk using V2L too

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes you could do that, but you would just be taking from your car battery and sticking it into your home battery. I guess if you had free work charging or something like that it could make sense. Drain the car overnight into your home battery every night and charge up in work again the next day 😀

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Duine_Eigin


    Yeah, exactly what this guy is doing. Not a great video and the details are sparse but it looks like he takes the house off-grid every day and charges his batteries using the V2L output on the Ioniq and the AUX input on the Sunsynk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3XKjpzHptQ

    It would make a lot of sense if you had a small battery and were looking to make the most of the Pinnergy rates. Connect the V2L to the rectifier in the evening when you get home from work and top off the battery so you make it to 2am without using any day rate. You probably wouldn't have to do it every day but would be handy for those winter days with little solar.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yep. In fact that is exactly what I did with my 1996 EV last winter with my rudimentary home made V2H solution 😀

    When I ran out of home battery, I switched on the connection from my car's high voltage battery into my Solis PV inverter. Which then took its max draw from the car and dumped it into my home load first and if that was lower than about 2.5kW, then the rest into my home battery

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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