Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Who is here in this thread explicitly calling to kill them all?

Argue with the points made, not a strawman.

The point actually began with you blaming Israel for preventing Palestinians voting. When it was pointed out that you were wrong you deflected to pretending I didn’t understand the situation in the North rather than having the good grace to admit you were wrong.

Again, lots to criticise Israel for but Hamas not holding elections isn’t one of them.

israel has full security.

hamas can't end anything as this genocide isn't about hamas but about stealing land on the basis of self-entitlement, for which there is nothing hamas could do to stop it.

Scumbags. And shooting to prevent them been helped.

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1756675499340816478?s=20

israel has full security, the iron dome which mostly fails exists so as to create an illusion of a security problem so israel can play the victim.

hamas can't surrender as there is nobody for them to surrender to nor is there a situation where surrender would be required or could exist as this is a genocide and not a legitimate war.

nothing hamas would or could do, would stop the religiously, self-entitled, greedy motivated genocide.

Iron dome mostly fails - uhuh. As we've discussed here before, do tell how those rockets are 'firecrackers' as you've said before.

Hamas can surrender. Only in your fantasies is there no one to surrender to.

As for the genocide you describe, you've exactly described Hamas's actions, religious, greed motivated, self-entitled to sacrifice their fellow Gazans. Nicely done.

the genocide is fact.

my description applies to israel, hamas are just a militarily weak ineffective terrorist organisation who are fighting a brutal apartheid blockade and occupation.

This seems a theory that's stretched to breaking point: is ethnic cleansing now just another word for large scale emigration? And weren't Gazans being prevented from leaving by those evil Israelis anyway - so how were they simultaneously ethnically cleansing them?

But if they were, then presumably we northerners were also being ethnically cleansed back when one of the reasons for refusing jobs and housing to catholics was to encourage emigration so that the inbuilt loyalist majority remained intact?

But then if so, who was ethnically cleansing all the Irish from the south who were emigrating at the same or higher rates at the same time? Or is it grand when people leave due to poverty? In which case, who says the Gazans were leaving because of Israeli policies rather than Hamas running the place into the ground with their determination to build tunnels to destroy Israel instead of building an economy?

Israel had thousands of Palestinian workers crossing the border every day to work in Israel. Doesn't sound very "ethnically cleansing" does it? Giving Palestinians work that allowed them to marry and have homes and families in Gaza?

And then there's the biggest problem with your claim: the Palestinian population has been undergoing a massive population boom for decades. Compare that to the world Jewish population which took over 70 years to get back up to the numbers of Jews in the whole world after the Holocaust.

To sum up: if the Israelis are trying to commit genocide, they're pretty damn sh1t at it. You'd think they'd have learned from the best?

Or maybe... claiming that Jews are now committing genocide themselves is an anti semitic lie that bears no resemblance to reality, and is deliberately being used because it's the most hateful thing that can be alleged about a people who were the victims of a genuine attempt at genocide?

There was no genocide of catholics, and nor did I ever suggest there was.

And nor, by the way, have I defended Bloody Sunday. Quite the opposite.

Though I am at least beginning to see why you have such a terrible understanding of the Israel-Gaza conflict - you seem unable to read the words on the screen in front of you. Or maybe you just don't understand the difference between big hard words like "discrimination" versus "genocide".

Try moving your lips as you read: it may help.

Over 11,000 dead children who will never grow up, get married and have children of their own and you come out with this despicable statement

"It will not even dent the population growth of gaza."

No, it's absolutely horrendous. And it is Hamas' fault.

(Any chance you'd spare a thought for the Jewish children who have also been traumatised by seeing family and friends murdered, and some of whom were kidnapped into Gaza where they were kept in awful conditions, not being fed properly while the Gazans keeping them ate normally, and being forced to keep silent, including small children, because - they were told by their captors - if the people outside in the street learned that there were Jews being kept prisoner, they'd break in and lynch them. But they should just get over it, right? They're only Jews after all.)

Given Israel is doing the killing, perhaps it is Israel who should be stopped and never be allowed to do this again?

If there was no genocide taking place, or a possibility of genocide, why has the ICJ issued 6 provisional measure for Israel to comply with?

Oh dear. After earlier pretending you couldn't see anyone defending Hamas, despite there being posts from postes who said they would join it, and others saying that the October 7th attack was not a crime, now you're claiming that someone has said the above. They haven't.

Is there a reason why you can't see stuff that posters have actually said, and yet also imagine stuff that others haven't said? Could it possibly be to do with the posters you agree with??