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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Give you a hint on that one, they came into government in 2007 and what happened in 2008?

    Answers on a self addressed postcard please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Seriously that's the basis on which you are calling him a hypocrite?

    Even if we did drastically reduce air travel the travel by ministers on official business would be the last in line for cuts.

    As an island nation it's almost impossible to do business on behalf of the country without air travel.

    He took a seal of office from the President and has a job to do like all the ministers from the other parties.

    Imagine the furore if he refused to go due to a personal stance on air travel.

    Headline news "Green minister neglects his duty".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They have punched above their weight and most of the time against the odds.

    Whether all of it was good is certainly arguable and they are fair game for criticism like all parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    they're breaking eggs to make omlettes! lljubljana went car free in the city centre years ago, way beyond anything in dublin, 90% of people now say they wouldn't go back to how it was. they don't have a metro either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    The minister for transport is expected to do that. Just happens to be Eamon now. His predecessors were shite at sorting it too.

    Hint for what? Not being in power for longer?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    he's been the MOT for 4 years and Metro is about to get planning permission therefore shovels should be in the ground soon, sounds ok to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I wasn't referring directly to the Dublin traffic plan.

    But now that you mention it I have used public transport and walking in the city centre for years.

    Only very occasionally using a car when there was no alternative.

    I gave up driving the quays when the cycle lanes came in.

    Even then I was only using the quay route to get to the port to catch the ferry.

    To be honest I used to enjoy the spin along the Liffey but now I use NCR and down through Sheriff Street.

    If the new plan helps to make PT and active travel more viable I can live with it.

    Drivers who know their way around the city will make detours. It might take them a bit longer but they'll get used to it.

    It's the price they have to pay for the comfort of sitting in a warm dry car listening to a podcast or the radio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i know, i was looking at the dart west plans too which i think is getting planning permission this month (the rail line is my back garden wall!), you'll be able to take a tube to glasnevin and change and go to connolly or out to leixlip on a DART, like in a real country! years away though unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Well, You are entitled to your opinion. Let’s see what happens come the next election. I’d say politically, both him & his party are history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    You may want to think about going in more details. It is easy and lazy to dismiss green policies which pretty much contributed if not triggered German protests as a simple removal of diesel subsidies. You need to think why they were removed and while usual scapegoat may be ukraine conflict that was only final nail in the coffin. The same apply for all of the other protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    More likely there's a bit of noise on it now as it's an election year and it'll go back to the same status it's always been in after that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Borrowing car is quite complicated and not that practical due to insurance issues. A lot of insurance companies only allow to transfer insurance to a car you get from garage if yours is being repaired and even that is allowed only for certain number of days in a year. The system is completely stupid.

    A lot of countries insure cars and anyone with valid license can drive insured car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i don't even know how i'm insured on my ma's car i think i'm a named driver on some policy but it costs only 50 quid a year or something for me to be on there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 994 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The problem in Ireland is insurance companies don't really know whether they're insuring the driver or the car. In fairness though (and I've SFA sympathy for Irish insurance companies) the courts here have never nailed that one to give proper clarity. Hence why open insurance of 25yo and older, along with a string of other 'conditions' they then insure both reluctantly by the back door and for the consumer that's an expensive ordeal.

    Had a bang of this a couple of years back - brother's GF in Madrid (full licence there) wanted to drive my car over to the Wild Atlantic Way to visit it with her Spanish parents. Rang insurance and in fairness gave her a 4-day pass for €35 in my car. All went well, happy holiday.

    Thought to myself when renewing I'd just add her to my policy for the next year as she had already been here 'on one' and there was - to pardon the pun - a Spanish inquisition from the Insurance Company. She was not living here, so adding her to my policy was 'loading'. Unreal. So, that got dropped sharply.

    Looking back, it costed me €35 on insurance 'admin' charges to allow her drive for four day - they were quoted €13K for a rental (when it was mental and newspapers ran headlines of €52K for a rental). Happy days, they got the bargain.

    But it shows how we as a nation we're great Europeans when it suits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Not forgetting the admission that he was going to fly for 14 hours just to cast a vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    OK. Hadn't put those together in fairness. The public talk was not of green/environmental policies directly. Germany was all about the tax, France for the paperwork and the regulations on permanent land use, eastern Europe on the grains. I see the point about France and Germany where both issues could be linked back to environmental drivers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    If he didn't fly back to vote the same people would be complaining that he is showing contempt for not been in the Dail. People complain about everything, nothing new on that.

    If TD's listened to what people complain about they would never get anything done

    The best is complaining about the St Patrick Day trips, which are a hugely valuable to business in Ireland. But some people are so narrow minded they can't see this and we get the yearly moan

    A lot of insurance companies now offer insurance on someone elses car, especially if you are comprehensive. This has been the case for years. Probably 10

    From 123.ie who are hardly premium insurance. I would suggest you contact your insurance company and ask, you are probably insured to drive other cars.

    Types of Policies

    Most Third-Party, Fire and Theft, and Comprehensive policies allow you to drive legally in somebody else’s car. However, be aware that the level of coverage may vary, so it’s best to check with your insurer first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There is no problem driving someone else's car on their insurance policy.

    You don't need to own a car or have your own policy.

    All you need is a licence.

    The owner just needs to nominate you as a named driver on their policy or have an open drive policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭prunudo


    So was the project oversold by Eamon Ryan or the media? Its far from, 'Private cars and commercial vehicles will be banned from driving through Dublin'.

    The word 'through' means something far more drastic in my mind than what is actually planned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,143 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    But if course you're 100% wrong getting people out of cars and into active transport has already been happening in ireland. Have a look at the canal cordon count, massive growth in cycling and walking, and rapid decline of car commuting, how else do you explain that? How do you think copenhagen and amsterdam transitioned from car dependent to walking and cycling cities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,143 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    A vox pop? You know there was an official DCC survey of businesses that showed overwhelming support . And yes I can prove it, a simple Google search proves me right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,143 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    I mean you could simply resd the plan yourself instead of depending on a journalists spin on it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Quite a lot of reading and while I do not expect green people to bother themselves since they already got their directives from high above, the rest of us normal people may find it entertaining.


    Wind and solar energy cannot lift humanity into prosperity.

    But as an impressive fleet of private jets has recently migrated from the COP 28 Summit in Dubai to the World Economic Forum in Davos, carrying the hoi polloi of the world from one elitist summit to another, this delusion was the dominant sentiment.

    In this three-part analysis, what can accurately be described as a collective, perhaps willful delusion will be exposed in excruciating detail.

    It will be dry and tedious reading. And perhaps that’s why journalists, activists, bureaucrats, and politicians have accepted the delusion.

    So buckle up. Here’s the other side of the story.

    Part One will quantify how much global energy production will need to increase if humanity is to have any hope of achieving universal energy security, much less energy abundance.

    Part Two will calculate the infeasible degree to which wind and solar energy production will have to increase in order to hit that minimum target while still fulfilling the goals of COP 28.

    Part Three will conclude by examining non-fossil fuel alternatives to wind and solar and, in so doing, demonstrate why global energy security is impossible to achieve without increasing, not decreasing, reliance on coal, oil, and gas.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Polish farmers protest is aimed against EU climate policies and agricultural imports from Ukraine. In launching the strike, the Polish farmers join a wider series of protests by their counterparts around Europe in recent weeks, including in Germany, France, Romania, Greece, Lithuania, Belgium and Latvia.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Hadn't heard about the Polish farmers going out until now. They are rightly getting screwed by Ukraine grains. But the whole EU should be up in arms about that situation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭prunudo


    We both know that's not how the world works. The media and ER have a responsibility to report it properly. If there is a segment on the news or current affairs programme you expect a certain level of factual discussion and wording. I shouldn't have to fact check every report or plan being discussed.

    What transpires about the measures announced for the city centre don't amount to the banning of through traffic for private and commercial vehicles as was touted in the media this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ps200306



    Seriously that's the basis on which you are calling him a hypocrite?

    Even if we did drastically reduce air travel the travel by ministers on official business would be the last in line for cuts.

    As an island nation it's almost impossible to do business on behalf of the country without air travel.

    What makes you say that Eamon Ryan's flights are more important than anyone else's? Me and my colleagues' business travel has supported billions of dollars in trade. Eamo could at least sit down the back of the plane where his carbon footprint would be three to nine times lower. That way he gets to go where he wants while being somewhat less of a hypocrite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Green MEP Ciaran Cuffe was talking about air travel lately. He said people should think twice about a shopping trip to New York or a stag in Prague. Are weekends in NY in fashion?

    While i get his point, its a hard sell as a few days away somewhere sunny is the highlight of many peoples year. Inflation, rent/mortgage increases, bad weather, work stress etc wear people done and they need a light at the end of the tunnel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    ER's flights and those of other ministers are more important for Ireland than many other flights.

    Similarly your business flights and those of your colleagues are important for the country.

    As for the use of business class, as long as the ministers stick to whatever policies or guidelines are in place there is no issue.

    Just for clarity I have posted previously on this thread and others regarding how essential air connectivity is to Ireland.

    In my opinion we shouldn't make any unilateral moves to restrict air travel and ought to wait until the issue is dealt with on an EU or global level.

    As an island nation with a large diaspora and dependence on trade and FDI we can't afford to make the running on this one.



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