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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Funny, I don't hear of this kind of controversy whenever China is involved, and they're not defending themselves against mortal enemies in Inner Mongolia, Tibet and East Turkestan (Xinjiang). Only a tiny country that's constantly at war for its survival covering less than 1% of the MENA region.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Precisely. Anything that's on QNN is most likely either a lie or is being skewed in order to present a false impression.

    And anyone who uses QNN as a source is willingly aligning themselves with Hamas and PIJ.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Excuse me?

    Are you saying my comment was borne out of hatred? Ignorant and borne out of ill will?

    That's what Zaka did - that is a verifiable fact. It was reported by Haaretz which I posted here a day or two ago.

    Zaka used Oct 7th to fundraise for themselves. In fact, I'd say equating them to "grifters" is being kind.

    They made money, for themselves, out of the grief of the relatives of those murdered, raped and kidnapped by Hamas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Wearing a coat in the operating room? Shot in the chest but no blood or holes on the coat? There seems to be a bullet hole shaped blood stain on his back when he takes off his coat, but again, no damage to the clothing is apparent. No chest wound or blood on his front either, only in the armpit area? The bullet must have gone around his coat into his armpit and stayed there? Running through the halls screaming after supposedly being shot without dripping blood anywhere? Also what operating room has windows? Certainly not the one in that video anyway. Seems dubious.


    Some people will believe any old sh!te.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Are you saying the Hamas actions on Oct 7th were justified?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If you cannot see that a sentence written by the ICJ does not state what you say is states, there's nothing more I can do.

    You've been calling out misinformation - and I completely agree with you. You even agreed with me that posting misinformation should be called out.

    I'm calling out your misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    So now it's a point of order? Yesterday it was a ruling, then an order. Even when I and another poster pointed out they called on Hamas to release the hostages you persisted with trying to present it as a court ruling or order. At this stage I really think you're doing this deliberately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    It is not a ruling. No matter how many times people repeat this, it is not a ruling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Other media are reporting it happened in the operations room. So a bad translation. It's pretty obvious the start of the video is not an operation room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    SA did not mention the hostages? Do you have a source for that?

    it was so concerned it directly referred to the hostages on its own initiative

    Not on its own initiative - see Para 49. This was an UNWRA statement submitted to the court.

    "It’s been 100 days of ordeal and anxiety for hostages and their families."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,910 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Because he says so, or because he doesn't like the source, or because (insert bùllshìt reason)...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I've been in operating rooms with windows.

    "Targeting hospitals and medical personnel intentionally, and as a strategy of war, is a war crime."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The ICJ voted on six provisional measures:

    1. For Israel to take "all measures" to prevent acts of genocide from taking place - 15:2
    2. To ensure the IDF does not engage in any acts of genocide - 15:2
    3. To prevent and punish public incitement to genocide, including by government and military officials - 16:1
    4. To enable basic services and humanitarian aid to reach Gazan civilians - 16:1
    5. To preserve evidence related to violations of Genocide Convention - 15:2
    6. To submit a report to the ICJ within one month on all measures taken - 15:2

    As regards the statement on hostages, the sentence starts "The Court deems it necessary to emphasize"


    No words such as "the court rules", "orders", "judges that" etc.

    No ruling, judgement, finding or order stating "The court finds Hamas are in breach of International law"

    No ruling, judgement, finding or order stating "The court finds Hamas have committed war crimes"


    The statement posted: "ICJ ruled that Hamas were in breach of international law and was carrying out a war crime in keeping hostages"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    US President Joe Biden has said that countries receiving American weapons must adhere to international law in a memorandum issued on Thursday night.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Kiteview


    It is very revealing to see the pedantry / technicalities being used by some posters to defend and excuse Palestinian / Hamas actions - and how those many of those posters have no problem in making sweeping claims that Israel is engaged in “genocide” and “war crimes”, even after the ICJ pointedly refused to make any such judgements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's revealing how many reputable news sources are quoted to back up those "sweeping claims".

    Even the US has said Israel has "gone over the top".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Some of the Israeli crimes are pretty obvious though.

    Ethnic cleansing and collective punishment are the 2 most obvious. As obvious as the Hamas crimes of kidnapping and targeting civilians.

    You don't need a ruling from any international court to call Hamas out, but you do for Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Haaretz:

    • The U.S. State Department said that an Israeli military operation in Rafah, where many civilians are sheltering, "would be a disaster."

    • U.S. President Joe Biden said on Thursday night that Israel's conduct in Gaza has been "over the top," adding that he is working to achieve a sustained pause in fighting.

    • The Israeli Supreme Court ordered on Friday the release of Umm al-Fahm resident Ahmed Kalifah from detention, after he was arrested during a protest against the war in Gaza. Despite being accused of incitement to terrorism, the court ruled against his continued detention, citing insufficient evidence to justify it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Haaretz:

    The Palestinian Red Crescent reported that Israeli forces have entered the Al-Amal Hospital in Khan Yunis in southern Gaza.

    Senior U.S. military intel officers told Congress members in private conversations that it appears only a third of Hamas' fighters have been killed in Gaza, the New York Times reported. The officers also reportedly said that while Israel has degraded Hamas' military capabilities, it is not close to eliminating it.

    Almost one in 10 Gazan children under the age of five are now acutely malnourished, according to initial UN data from arm measurements that show physical wasting.

    The Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry said at least 27,946 Palestinians have been killed and 67,459 wounded since the war began.

    Norway said it is giving $26 million in 2024 to UNRWA, and could increase that sum if needed, days after the agency warned it could cease all activity by the end of the month.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Haaretz:

    The Hostages and Missing Families Forum demanded a meeting with the war cabinet following what they called "a string of events and comments raising difficult questions relating to the cabinet's commitment to freeing the hostages." The families demanded to know if that commitment still stands, or if negotiating power should be "handed over to other parties."

    Yossi Sharabi – a resident of Kibbutz Be'eri kidnapped by Hamas on October 7 and pronounced dead last month – was most likely killed in an Israeli strike, according to an IDF investigation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 TelephoneTag


    We know that they attacked barracks, we know that their was an incident at Nova which led to a wholesale slaughter by the IDF.


    We have to find out what actually happened first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The 3 Palestinians, one paralysed from the waist down, extrajudicially killed (though someone said "whacked") by the IDF, was widely cheered on by pro Israelis.

    Seems those actions may constitute war crimes.

    The hypocrisy is palpable.


    "The killing of three Palestinian men in a West Bank hospital in January by Israeli commandos disguised as medical workers and Muslim women may constitute war crimes, a group of UN experts said on Friday."

    Haaretz



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Rhea Pitiful Stationery


    Ah bless.....Israel don't like little old Ireland calling out their nonsense still.

    The more they shout "Anti Semitism" the more pathetic they look.

    Israel is not a normal country at all. Just a pathetic whinging shower of bollixes. You'd almost feel sorry for them if they weren't such maniacs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    theyre like a country / nation version of a Karen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭batman75


    So genocide Joe finally realises the Israel has gone far too far in Gaza. Not the quickest or brightest our Joe. They went too far from the start. It is Netanyahu's plan to depopulate Gaza. Possibly with the aim of settling it like they have the West Bank. Israel has gotten away with genocide. It's incredible and depressing in equal measure. Israel of all countries has come closest to re-enacting what the Nazi's did to Jews in WW2. I hope I live long enough to see a Palestinian state free from Israeli interference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    My goodness.

    Read what you write before posting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,560 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,491 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @tayto lover do not post in this thread again



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