Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

"There is no other solution but a complete and final victory," Mr Netanyahu told a press conference on Wednesday.

Note the use of final and solution. He's up there with Sunak this week.

You are presenting vetting as being some sort of catch-all, as if Israel deserved October 7th because it didn't vet the UNRWA workers sufficiently. I am pointing out other examples of where this was true. There would be plenty of people screaming "police state" if intelligence services kept out or locked up everyone they deemed a hazard.

What you forget is that Israel, unlike the regime of Hamas or the other hostile states surrounding it, is a liberal democracy with freedoms so can't just be locking up everyone. In fact, there have been a lot of posters complaining about the ones that they have locked up. You can't have it every which way when it comes to Israel, though you try your best.

Ridiculous post.

Are you of the opinion that we should all take whatever a government states as gospel? That we should not question where there maybe doubts? It was merely pointed out that Channel Four has seen the dossier and I quote that “no evidence” was found to implicate UNWRA employees. You might retort why were they fired then. Well it was stated that it was done to try protect the organisation and funding but was without due process. That coupled with the fact that Israel are indeed part of vetting process opens up questions. How did they pass initially, what is the vetting process etc. I’m not saying it might not be true. I stated that funding should not have been pulled until determined. Innocent until proven guilty eh?

Also, in case you forgotten Israel have plenty locked up. Without charge. Without due process. Is that the actions of a democracy? Or are Palestinian rights less than Israeli? When I pointed this out, @Danzy stated they were prisoners of war. Do you agree with him? If you do, I’d like to point out that numerous Palestinians have been locked up prior to Oct 7th, and if they are prisoners of war, would Hamas have every right to categorise the hostages the same? See what I did there…

Pure scum

"dozens of Israelis lied claiming that they attended the Nova music festival on October 7 to earn dozens of thousands of Shekels as compensation. "

More israeli scumbaggery

All depends who wins on the first Tuesday in November...

Correct. Their freedoms are clear.

As an Israeli, you can take whatever you like in the Occupied West Bank - take land, homes, steal animals, steal livelihoods, murder Palestinians. And don't worry, the IDF will turn a blind eye.

Now, if you're a Palestinian, throw stones or post something on Tik Tok we don't like, it's 12 months for you. What? You're only 14? What's your point? Still alive aren't you?

Oh yes, Israel are very much "a liberal democracy with freedoms" - for the right people...

A shining democracy indeed. '' Only democracy in the region''.

Irish women's basketball team is "quite anti-Semitic"...

Haaretz:

• U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, currently visiting Israel, reportedly expressed concern to PM Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant about Israel's potential expansion of military operations to the south Gazan city of Rafah, to which many Gazans fled during Israel's bombardment of the north.
• In an official statement, Saudi Arabia said there will be no diplomatic relations with Israel unless an independent Palestinian state is recognized on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, Israeli "aggression" in the Gaza Strip stops and all Israeli forces leave Gaza.
• The Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry said at least 27,708 Palestinians have been killed and 67,147 wounded since the war began.

"It is only the struggle for the release of the hostages that forces Benjamin Netanyahu to deal with difficult questions on the home front and exposes his utter lack of vision" – Jacky Khoury

RTE:

Basketball Ireland has called accusations of anti-semitism by an Israeli player against the Irish women's team "inflammatory and wholly inaccurate", saying it had reported the comments to governing body FIBA Europe.

Israel head coach Sharon Drucker said that the Irish "did not respect" what sport symbolises after he and his players had posed for pictures with armed Israeli soldiers at the weekend, while in an interview published on the Israeli Basketball Federation’s website yesterday, player Dor Sa'ar said of the Irish that "It's known that they are quite anti-Semitic and it's no secret, and maybe that's why a strong game is expected.

"Basketball Ireland is aware of comments made by a member of the Israeli team and published on official Israeli Federation channels, ahead of this week’s FIBA Women’s EuroBasket 2025 Qualifier," the statement said.

"Basketball Ireland is extremely disappointed by these accusations, which are both inflammatory and wholly inaccurate.

"Basketball Ireland would refute these allegations towards our players in the strongest possible terms and we have raised this matter with FIBA Europe."

My point was about other security services confirming what Israel uncovered about UNRWA being co-opted by Hamas.

Also, this is not a new thing, so there shouldnt be a surpirsed. There is no conspiracy here.

Cons:

Permanent Israeli subjugation and expulsion of Palestinian people and the end of any prospects of a Palestinian state.

You just don't get it. Hamas is fighting an existential war for the survival of their homeland and identity. On the other hand, the world is repulsed by the Israeli lie of massacre of civilians in the name of self-defence. Its extremely naive to think that Hamas will simply surrender; they know that the longer they hold out, the more the world will force a two state solution on Israel. It will be telling to see whether Biden will force Netanyahu to stop this madness.

Questions sources and then posts a self promotional tweet that isn't clearly self promotional, from a pro-Israel NGO that is masquerading as some official UN body.

UNWatch is..

It is not masquerading as anything.

UN Watch 'does what it says on the tin' - watching the UN.

Really? The same Iran that is helping Russia wage war against the Ukrainian people? Last I checked, even ISIS weren't looking for (or supporting) a fight to the death with Ukraine. Iran on the other hand ... Iran has a long history of supporting the bad guys, whether its the Maduro regime in Venezuela, Putler in Russia or Hamas/Hezbollah against Israel.

You said: Hamas is fighting an existential war for the survival of their homeland and identity.

Except they're not doing that. They're fighting to destroy Israel and kill the Jews. That's it. It's no more complicated than that.