Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

And if Israel continues their massacre of innocent civilians at the current pace, their future history will be writ large forever. Every time Israel is mentioned, it will be coupled with "genocide".

I doubt the average Israeli wishes that.

No, Ukraine has its hands full with one of Iran's allies on its territory, while Israel is busy with another. But make no mistake, Russia, Iran and Hamas are on the same side of seemingly unrelated conflicts. Hamas showed this by timing their attack for Putler's birthday, understanding the strategic significance of their attack on Israel.

Really?

Do you mean Arab nations attacked Palestine before May 1948? Or are you talking about the civil war that was brewing between 1947-1948?

Regardless, I was responding the to explict charge it was Israel who started the 1948 war. I sense even you are now conceding this to be a falsehood.

I think you're confusing me with someone else?

I never made a claim that Israel started the war in 1948. I simply quoted Wikipedia - I even put the sentence in bold so there would be no confusion.

Sorry if you got confused. Easily done.

No gotchas either.

There's a number of news items coming out today that, as predicted by many, show the propaganda put out by Israel, the utter lies told and how "moral" the IDF is.

I sense that the wheels are coming off for Israel and it will continue to unravel.

Just on that Zaka story - these are Israelis filming Oct 7th and using that material as a means to raise their PR profile and make money. I can see the outrage and disgust that will generate reverberating for about 2 seconds...

Disinformation forms a huge part in their strategy but people are beginning to see through it -

Disinformation campaigns

''Researchers have documented at least 40,000 bots or fake social media accounts, as well as strategic use of state-controlled media outlets like RT, Sputnik and Tasnim. Israel has released several pieces of incorrect or disputed information, leading to weakened credibility and online ridicule.''

The most moral army in the world?

In their dreams:

Haaretz:

GAZA: The IDF has begun investigating dozens of incidents in the current war with Hamas that have raised suspicions that orders were disobeyed, in which commanders on the ground exceeded their authority or where it is suspected that the international laws of war were violated.

For those scoffing at the IDF killing sheep article posted here earlier:

Haaretz:

Arab Israeli lawmaker Ahmed Tibi shared on X/Twitter footage of sheep being shot by Israeli snipers in Khan Yunis in Gaza. According to sources in Khan Yunis, the sheep were in Bani Suheila, near Khan Yunis, an area under Israeli military control.

Stick your tongue out:

Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir issued a public apology after his son suggested U.S. President Biden suffered from dementia in a tweet he posted on X.

"Complete defeat of Hamas"

At a meeting in the White House, Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana told U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan that Israel's goal in the Gaza war is the "complete defeat of Hamas," and thanked the U.S. for its support since the outbreak of the war, especially in efforts to secure the release of Israeli hostages.

oh, wait...

Without minimizing the importance of the [Israeli] army's successes while fighting an unprecedented underground war, Hamas has not been defeated in Gaza. Far from it" – Amos Harel

So much for the war goal of releasing the hostages. With all the resources to mount rescue missions, it seems the IDF preferred bulldozing cemeteries, razing universities, schools and sniping nuns and people waving white flags. And looting. And rifling through knicker drawers. And murdering 90 children a day for four months.

HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: More than a fifth of the remaining hostages being held in Gaza are dead, according to an internal assessment conducted by the IDF, the New York Times reported. The families of 32 hostages whose deaths are confirmed have been informed, according to four military officials, who said they were also assessing unconfirmed intel that at least 20 other hostages have also been killed.

Agreed but Hamas and their supporters will be loving it.

None of that justified Oct 7th.

Hamas knew Israel would react. They may have misjudged the reaction.

Hamas could stop this tomorrow.

Where is the pressure on Hamas?

There's a slew of it today.

I'm guessing there is so much of it, eventually some was bound to start leaking out.

And if this is "some", God knows what's next.

The only thing that might stop this murder and mayhem will, oddly, be Hamas agreeing the ceasefire conditions. I think many Israelis might pray they do.

So International Law is irrelevant when its inconvenient to you?