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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,987 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    do any of yea actually want to live in a democratic society, voters been asked to explain themselves, seriously!

    ...i like the colour green, so i always vote for the greens!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,987 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    fcuk i love carlin....

    ...yes its sh1t, but would it be better with it or without it.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah and we wouldn't let loads of older people sign a serious contract, for example. Are you suggesting disenfranchising them too? And I'm not necessarily disagreeing, I'm just always surprised by how flippantly people dismiss one group from voting and not another group based on the same criteria.

    As much as I don't like the fact that some people just vote the way their parents pr grandparents do, you asked if they should be ALLOWED to do so and my answer is yes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i don't really know what i'm suggesting to be honest, i'm just enjoying the convo and talking out my backside and brain storming random ideas related to all this.

    i believe everyone should be allowed to vote, but they shouldnt just throw away their vote because of being loyal to a certain group.

    how about letting all vote but removing the party names from the voting boot, and only leaving the policies there for people to vote on?

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I get you. Me too, to be honest. Removing the party names and voting based on policies would be fascinating. There are sites that analyse the manifestos close to an election. You fill out the questionnaire, rate how important you consider a range of issues and it shows which manifesto you most closely align with. I did it with a load of friends in the UK a couple of elections back and a good fee of them came out Lib Dem. They were really surprised and then voted for the party they always voted for anyway.

    The country would be much better off if people voted on policy lines rather than party lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think if we're so fine with disenfranchising young people based on age, the same should apply at the other end of the age spectrum. People would go spare if you seriously suggested it. But they're absolutely fine with dismissing the notionnthat young people should be allowed to vote.

    I have never heard an argument that fair and square disqualifies all young people under age 18 from voting, that doesn't also disqualify a lot of old people (and loads of people in between)

    Don't understand the system: that could apply to loads of people of all ages.

    Can't sign a serious contract: plenty of older people don't have capacity to sign contracts but we don't take away their right to vote.

    Would vote for silly policies: lots of people would vote for policies I consider silly or even harmful, but I don't think I should be able to disqualify them on the basis that I don't like how they choose to vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    i don't really know what i'm suggesting to be honest, i'm just enjoying the convo and talking out my backside and brain storming random ideas related to all this.

    To be fair; the thread topic is "Controversial Opinion"... I put out the original one of disagreeing with the premise of "one man, one vote"; it's an opinion that I don't have all the immediate answers on either.

    Just fed up of hearing ridiculous misinterpretations of policy / down right stupid opinions being bandied about and knowing that their vote carry's the same weight as everyone else.

    To be clear, it's not differing opinion I'm contesting either. I think a large chunk of people don't really care, they'd vote black is white despite what demonstrable. Some people need to be led.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    yeah, but my opinions are controversial and this is where we are meant to put them.

    Also i did suggest When it comes to elections and voting that i think it would be far more simple and important to make each political party have a spinning top, and the winner is decided from whoever wins the spinning top battle, either that or a race with remote control cars that have a flag sticking out of the back of them, the flag being which political party they belong to.

    While that is controversial, its the best idea i can come up with. So good i even decided to put it in my signature for a few hours. How do you like that? is it good? do you like it?

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    I think we're saying the same thing.

    yeah, but my opinions are controversial and this is where we are meant to put them.

    Agreed - that's where I was coming from with my original post. It's a controversial opinion, not something I've fleshed out with a workable solution that everyone would buy in to.

    The " Blind Date" solution is one that could work in theory but would be impossible to police. Your last line sums it up; policy lines rather than party lines/dogwhistle stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    what is your response to my suggestion about spinning top battles and remote control car races between the political parties?

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Tesco own brand crisps are nicer than Tayto.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭randd1


    There's a few different crisps that are nicer than tayto.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    very true. tayto is way too salty in my opinion.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    Here is a controversial opinion that is enough to drive much devide between the boarders.

    TAYTO VS KING crisps! i believe king crisps are better than tayto. please dont kill me lol

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Hoop66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 KissMeArse


    All the discussion on previous pages about Harry Potter – sorry but anyone above the age of 18 that is into this childish fantasy stuff is a total manchild (or whatever the female equivalent is)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i like this controversial opinion.

    its not the fantasy we're into, its imagining having sex with the characters that counts. the ones above 18 of course

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,507 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I don't think the opinion of "some people are not informed enough to vote" is particularly controversial.

    A huge chunk of the world don't operate democracy at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That's not controversial. Well I'd say plenty of people are not informed enough to make an informed vote.

    The controversial part is that we disenfranchise an entire group from voting because we think they're not informed enough to vote, but once that same uninformed person becomes 18, they can vote for the rest of their life. Nobody ever judges how informed they are. If that person gets dementia, we still don't consider them too uninformed to vote.

    The fact that young people aren't allowed to vote is a scandal. And it's so obvious it's staring us in the face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    If you're old enough to work, drive and give consent for sex then you're definitely old enough to vote. It doesn't matter how informed you are, or how informed others think you are, that's just not relevant when it comes to universal vote. Even if you make an uninformed choice that's your right and your choice to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    You sound like someone who has never heard of Disney or Pixar or just doesn't understand that lots of great entertainment is designed for both adults and kids. HP is marketed towards kids but when Rowling wrote the books they were written to appeal to everybody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i feel harry potter became too teen-drama based as it went on. The first 2 movies had an essense of childlike wonder into the world of magic. They felt magical too. as the movies became later they began turning into teen romance drama's and then ultimately becoming action movies entirely, with a bit of politics or left wing issues sprinkled in.

    i hated the cringe pro-awkwardness approach towards the end.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    you almost made that sound like its everyone inherent right to have sex lmao.

    "Even if you make an uninformed choice that's your right and your choice to make." sex isnt a choice for some people

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    how about a voting system like this, everyone gets to vote but must take a short test before hand to see how much they know about it. all votes will be counted regardless but the more a person knows about politics = the more their vote counts for. like theirs count as 3 or 2 points instead of 1. or they get 2 votes so they can vote twice or something.

    as controversial as that might sound. is this fair and balanced?

    low key i would sell my votes for ez monies

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Could you explain that a bit? Sex and driving are very strange proxies for qualification to vote. I get work as you're a stakeholder in paying tax, but that's not the only consideration.

    Why would sex and driving qualify someone to vote when you also say it doesn't matter how informed they are? If being informed on what they're voting for doesn't matter,then why disqualify anyone from voting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    There's nothing realistically stopping from selling your vote now.

    It would be interesting if they introduced that test and pushed teaching about the system in schools. Young people could end up outvoting old people.

    I think if it's OK to disenfranchise based on age then we should discuss the upper age limit on voting. Maybe the vote should be stripped at retirement since they're not working age anymore.

    Or maybe if its not OK to stop old people voting, its not OK to stop young people voting either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    alot of people sell their vote for a badge or a pencil, or a free lift down to the voting hall lol.

    i'd be open to selling mine to the highest bidder if there's anyone genuine tangible cash offers. if not, then maybe i may vote for wheover i suspect of having the least amount of votes, or vote for no one. i'm really not sure. i guess it depends on policy, if one has a policy i like i'll vote for them.

    some people vote on a variety of weird irellevent or creepy things, some of what i seen people talking about deciding on what to cast their vote on, includles: whoever has the nicest smile, whoever appears in the papers more, whoever is most populor, whoever they see spammed on the signs in their local area, whoever is a different gender or race, whoever looks sexiest, whoever their family or friends is voting for, whoever has the most attractive body.

    i think to myself "wtf". Probebly has to be one of the most controversial methods of voting i've ever seen.

    one of my favorites however has to be people making it a (controvercial) point to intentionally refuse to vote for certain parties due to their involvement and how they reacted in the past to historical irish events, and how they treated their own people.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



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