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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Not with the current structure, RTÉ was mismanaged, it would be best at this point to split the company up and provide public service broadcasting. RTÉ should be let die at this point.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No she does not.

    Doesn't have to be RTÉ. We have seen TG4 can do public service broadcasting.

    I am sure, however she floated about in RTÉ for 7 years not a care in the world. I doubt she's any real problems. She's moved on, she just hopping it will all blow over and she will be forgotten about.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    She should have been given the unredacted version she's the minister.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    True but why is one of the board members, Robert Short becoming RTÉ's company Secretary ... isn't the main job of the Company Secretary to insure the company is governed properly. Has he already left the board and taken on this position?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    2RN is a purely technical/engineering organisation, not a broadcaster and shouldn't try to be one either.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In the interim as part of the splitting up of RTÉ as a board exists for the company, it should take control of the Radio Services except for Lyric FM and RnaG. You can come up with many excuses to retain RTÉ one would be that you'd have to set up new boards of management and so on and so forth. Radio sit in 2RN much like 2RN sits in RTÉ.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's not an excuse to retain RTE, it's asking why an organisation with nothing to do with programming should become a broadcaster. "It's radio" is a very silly reason to be frank.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭jmcc


    2RN should be treated as critical national infrastructure. It should not be destroyed (privatised) like Telecom Eireann. RTE should be split in two with the PSB element being separate from RTE Commercial. 2FM can be lumped in with RTE Commercial.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No offence jmcc every time I mention splitting RTÉ up someone start to say that something should not be privatized, RTÉ even misinterpret my view that 2FM should have its funding cut as be the equivalent to selling 2FM off... I have never stated that any part of RTÉ should be sold of... nor do I think that any part of RTÉ should be sold off ... however I do not think RTÉ should remain in situ.

    My point is

    1. 2RN has a board ready, management teams in RTÉ studios, RTÉ radio (R1, 2FM, GOLD, 2XM, PULSE) RTÉ in-house and in RTÉ networks would remain large the same but they would no longer be part the RTÉ organization, coming under 2RN.
    2. Screen Ireland / FÍS Éireann would take control of RTÉ TV (rebranded as FÍS 1, 2, PLAYER) again RTÉ TV management will largely remain the same but exe control and Screen Ireland's board takes over the running (what was RTÉ IN house productions, TLLS, fair city, remains part of 2RN and acts like an indo producer getting commission from FÍS TV)
    3. TG4 again has a board and a management team, they take control of RnaG and Children's content (RTÉjr TV (remaining in English) and RTÉjr Radio (bi-lingual)).
    4. NCH again has a management team who are now running RTÉ's NSO they take charge of RTÉ's CO and Lyric FM.
    5. Finally a new organization is created to provide the above broadcasters with News and Current Affairs, they would have to get a new board but again RTÉ News and Current Affairs has a management team in situ. (They would take control of the RTÉ News channel and Radio 1 Extra, using the programing from across its service to the other broadcasters).

    3 of these organization currently exist

    1 is based in RTÉ as 2RN

    while you'd be create a new body for News and Current Affairs.

    No Sale involved. Oh yeah its a bit complex but look at the **** show that is RTÉ the moved 75k into one account to make it look good to advertisers, FFS.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Why should 2RN be part of RTÉ in that case? Let's do it this way

    1. 2RN : Ireland's National Broadcasting / Telecoms Network
    2. FIS EIREANN/Screen Ireland: Ireland's National Screen Service Provider (takesover RTÉ1, 2 and their +1s, along with their commissioning teams)
    3. TG4: Taking control of RnaG and RTÉjr
    4. NCH: Taking control of Lyric FM and the National Concert Orchestra
    5. Studio na hÉireann: SnaÉ : RTÉ Radio, The Montrose site and studio, RTÉ in house productions excluding News and Current affairs
    6. Nuacht Cursai Reatha Éireann: NCRÉ providing news and current affairs to the above

    Times up on RTÉ.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,421 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Surprised that "Climate Live 2050" hasn't got some mentions as to who signed off the production of that complete trash, it must have been north of €500k blown on it.

    Review says it all "possibly the worst TV programme anyone has ever made"


    Post edited by Atlantic Dawn on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I wonder how much RTÉ spent on it, I say that most of its production and commissioning came from public bodies like SFI and EPA and so on.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,421 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Yes end credits say funded by Coimisiún na Meán (another beauty) and the licence fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Couldn't help but think when listening to Joe Duffy making snide remarks and jokes about sitting in the canteen wondering if they had a job on Monday RTE is another result of cronyism, corruption , Greed and unaccountability .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    At its peak, handing guys like Duffy half a mill, Tubs 700k and now D'Arcy 350k is symptomatic of how rte has been badly run over the last few decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I wonder if revenue have any details on people named Person 1, Person 3 etc?😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Yes, but from who. I totally don't get why the retracting. Sure its more than likely all rte top brass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo



    Well from the government and the general public whilst they try and figure away out of this mess.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    If only those who pay for sky get sky why can't the same be done for rte?

    I disagree completely with a broadband tax. I pay for my broadband to Eir. Why now.pay a tax on top of thos for a channel I don't receive and even if I did, wouldn't watch anyhow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Like something you see in the movies in a courtroom from corrupt companies.

    Makes sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    Id say to protect the golden circle, Dee is Leo’s mate, (a photo from DWTS in 2019). Rory Coveny who 2as the brains behind this shambles is Simon Covenys brother,

    https://extra.ie/2019/03/24/entertainment/movies-tv/will-leo-varadkars-partner-matt-barrett-be-chasing-the-glitter-trophy-on-dancing-with-the-stars-next-season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    No surprises. My own opinion would be that you only redact something if you have something to hide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    RTE and the government have each other by the balls and its a very undignified spectacle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭jmcc


    You've obviously thought about this a great deal more than me. My main worry is that 2RN would be caught up in any move by the government. The village idiots in FF/PDs sold off the Telecom Eireann infrastructure so that they could play at being masters of the universe on the stock market. The damage it caused was immense. It put broadband roll-out back by almost a decade and eventually Eircom was plundered and could barely keep its copper network operational. Idiot "technology journalists" were fed the press releases from a very clever Eircom PR department about there being no demand for broadband. When Cablelink was sold off (it had been owned by RTE and TE) and the network updated, it almost completely took away any prospects for Eircom broadband in the cities and more people have Virgin cable broadband now. 2RN shared a lot of that critical infrastructure aspect.

    There is still a need for a Public Service Broadcaster but RTE in its present format is not a PSB. It has lost a lot of the original PSB ethos and it has been replaced by a grubby self-serving commercialism. Breaking off RTE Commercial makes sense in this respect. Your outline above is probably a much better solution.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    When Cablelink was sold off (it had been owned by RTE and TE) and the network updated, it almost completely took away any prospects for Eircom broadband in the cities and more people have Virgin cable broadband now.

    Yet we got fibre in our area in 2022 (from openEir) and it's not grant aided (Dublin suburb) even though many people already had Virgin Media broadband. They obviously reckoned it was worth their while - being able to retire the old copper network completely should save quite a lot on maintenance costs. I stll have VDSL but will get FTTH when I get around to it (the son's new Playstation 5 puts more of a demand on it than before!). Had horrendous dealings with VM in the past and don't want to go back to them, plus the internal wiring for their BB would be messy.

    We certainly do need one or more PSBs, currently RTE is one of them (TG4 being the other, and could teach RTE a lot about how to run a broadcaster efficiently) but it has no divine right to continue to be, or to exist at all.

    There is a lot to be said IMHO for a purely PSB, commercial-free Radio 1 and TV 1 and funding that directly from the exchequer rather than via a licence.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,980 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    The key deciders on this will be Varadkar and the two Martins.

    Mr Martin has said he wants to see the licence fee abolished and replaced with a household charge to cover all media content.


    Catherine and Leo playing their cards close to their chest so far but if either or both also comes down in favour of such a charge I'd say that's what we'll be getting.

    Well Leo has apparently declared his hand

    and

    Media Minister Catherine Martin, the Green Party deputy leader, has strongly argued in recent weeks for exchequer funding

    However

    It is understood Mr Varadkar would ultimately be prepared to support a household media charge that could be collected by Revenue, if Fianna Fáil insists upon it. 

    So I guess matters hinge on how hard FF are prepared to press their preferred option...



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Veda Gray Toddler


    The Government made a mess out of privatisation of Telecom Eireann, but I think we also look back at TE though rose tinted glasses sometimes.

    The should have kept the access networks as a semi state body, much like they did with Gas Networks Ireland.

    I think though when you look back at the 1990s, Telecom Eireann wasn’t cutting edge. It was living on the bounce of having rolled out digital exchanges a few years earlier than most, using off-the-shelf products from large vendors like Ericsson and Alcatel. There was nothing remarkable about them in the 1990s.

    They’d fallen way behind on digital tech, including not having ISDN universally available and even still had electromechanical exchanges in service in a few major urban areas until 1999 / 2000.

    They were also ludicrously expensive and the government had somehow sought and won derogations on introducing competition here, claiming that we had poor infrastructure, along with Greece, while simultaneously sending out the message we were some kind of leading edge digital island in IDA brochures.

    That bloated entity got crudely privatised and collapsed in a heap trying to sweat assets in a market that had tons of issues with barriers to entry.

    Our broadband revolution was driven by the cable companies being rebuilt by Liberty Global and more recently by agressive FTTH rollouts by Siro, and NBI taking up the rural slack.

    Eir isn’t the same company anymore and has finally begun to be fairly decent, but it’s very recent and it was driven by everyone else innovating around them, a crisis that saw them basically go into administration & be rebuilt from the ground up as a broadband and mobile company, and ultimately forcing them to catch up.

    So please don’t compare RTE to some imaginary version of Telecom Éireann.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭political analyst


    There also still has to be English-language publicly-funded (as opposed to completely commercially-funded) public service broadcasting in this country. A new broadcasting charge or levy would not be just for RTÉ. By the way, RTÉ will not cease to exist.



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