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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,152 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    How brave. They will probably let him sign his name on one of the bigger bombs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,152 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Were the S. Africans accused of being antisemitic yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    I don't want to be drawn off topic , but the facts are exactly what I labelled the ANC.

    Names are many but unfortunately again in this soft society they cannot be used.

    When I was growing up the term hout kop was an appropriate term for the ANC , EFF and their lackeys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,152 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Houtkop was used as a derogatory term meaning ''wooden head'' or ''stupid''.

    It wouldn't apply to this case as they seem to have put together a very good case against Israel and must be delighted with the outcome. Fair play to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    No indication of a change in policy from Biden.

    He's deeply unpopular in Ireland now after all this.

    Biden is the key person in all this. He's writing the cheques.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No he's not. Just revealed you have no idea how the federal government works. Congress has the power of the purse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,354 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Really, this isn't a call to wipe out Israel? That shape seems rather ... all-encompassing, does it not?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    We're a long way from 'explicit call to genocide' 😴



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,354 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Well, Israel is both the home and the shared identity of nearly half the worlds Jews, and the worlds only Jewish state, so I'm not sure how a call to wipe it off the map should be looked at ...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    So Congress and Biden culpable of this genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    'But wiping out Palestine is okay because...?'

    You're a barrel of walking contradictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Not yet...

    I wasn't aware that Biden is deeply unpopular in Ireland. You wouldn't have data showing that by any chance?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    He's supporting the war. He's bound to be unpopular here given the anti Israeli attitude here.

    It's probably why so many opinionated Irish people are keeping much more quiet about the US Election for once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In the absence of data, Biden's popularity in Ireland, one way or the other, is speculation.

    Given 50% of those who voted for him believe Israel is committing genocide, he will no doubt respond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Item 3 below will particularly apply to Ben Gvir and Smotrich, both of whom have strong views about the Palestinians. Given their penchant for outbursts, I wouldn't be surprised if either or both of them double down.


    Source: Haaretz (paywall)

    ICJ: The International Court of Justice at The Hague gave its interim ruling on emergency orders relating to South Africa's petition accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. The ICJ stopped short of ordering an cease-fire, but a large majority of the 17-judge panel voted for six urgent provisional measures:

    1. For Israel to take "all measures" to prevent acts of genocide from taking place

    2. To ensure the IDF does not engage in any acts of genocide

    3. To prevent and punish public incitement to genocide, including by government and military officials

    4. To enable basic services and humanitarian aid to reach Gazan civilians

    5. To preserve evidence related to violations of Genocide Convention

    6. To submit a report to the ICJ within one month on all measures taken



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Netanyahu's remark, quoted below, seems to be a faux pas.

    Haaretz:

    Israel's foreign ministry said that Israel remains committed to abide by international law. PM Netanyahu said the court's decision "rightly rejected the outrageous demand to deny" Israel the right to basic self-defense, but added that the court's willingness to discuss the claim that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza "is a mark of disgrace that will not be erased for generations."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Netanyahu has jeopardised the release of hostages. More than a faux pas.

    He is a serious liability to Israel - so no change there then.


    Haaretz

    CEASE-FIRE NEGOTIATIONS: The U.S. believes that the leaked recording of PM Netanyahu criticizing Qatar set hostage negotiation efforts back, a U.S. State Department spokesperson said, adding that "Qatar has been an integral, irreplaceable, key regional partner."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,531 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    If Hamas would release the hostages it would surely intensify the pressure on Israel. As long as they don't Israel will use it as the main reason for the bombing. Hamas do not want this war to end.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If that is the case, then it indicates the IDF is failing to realise Bibi's objective thus far. As otherwise Hamas would surely be looking for a way out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good point. That seems to be the Hamas position. They are using them as a bargaining chip, as they always have.

    There is hope though that the 30 day pause, with specified Israeli and Palestinian releases, will calm things down enough to allow humanitarian aid to get into Gaza.

    Once all hostages are released, Israel will still continue their action against Hamas.

    But with the levelling of Gaza, you'd have to question the Israeli bona fides about their actions solely being associated with hostage releases and Hamas destruction.

    I can't see how bulldozing cemeteries or demolishing universities and courthouses are aligned to those objectives.

    And neither did the ICJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Haaretz

    GAZA: UNRWA said it is investigating the alleged involvement of several of its employees in Hamas' October 7 massacre, and that it had severed ties with these staff members. The U.S. said it is "extremely troubled by the allegations," and that it will suspend funding to UNRWA as it reviews the charges and "the steps the UN is taking to address them."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Anyone know why the UN special representative on sexual violence is going to the West Bank?

    Haaretz

    The U.S. has created a channel with Israel to discuss concerns over incidents in Gaza in which civilians have been killed or wounded by the IDF or civilian facilities have been targeted, two U.S. officials told Reuters.

    The UN special representative on sexual violence in conflict will arrive in Israel on Monday to collect information on crimes committed by Hamas terrorists on October 7and will also visit the West Bank, her office said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Not sure if that was a rhetorical question but, yes, Gallant stated today that the SA submission was antisemitic.

    The fact the Israeli ad hoc judge voted for two of the findings against Israel seems to have been lost on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Netenyahu makes the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion look like The Hungry Catarpillar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    cheap shot really but sure got a couple of likes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    You’re not big into making evidence based judgements are you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭batman75


    One incursion by Hamas into Israel on October 7 2023 , however horrific, doesn't justify Israeli genocide of the Gaza population. It doesn't justify the Israeli invoking of self defence. It does not justify that monster Netanyahu invoking the holocaust and never again. The ICJ hasn't used the word genocide in its ruling but by it's detailed ruling it has in effect. For Israel to be accused of genocide, even indirectly, is a devastating ruling especially given how the very modern state of Israel came into being. It also has potentially devastating consequences for genocide Joe Biden as he seeks to be re-elected.

    To think that an American president could be directly linked/implicated to genocide is mind boggling. The worry is that Trump is equally wedded to Israel and would most likely give them a blank cheque to continue slaughtering Palestinians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    “It doesn't justify the Israeli invoking of self defence.”

    Eh?

    I can see how other posters can argue that the actions of the IDF may go beyond self defence but to suggest self defence after Oct 7th is not justified is completely unreasonable.

    Sometimes posters make good and fair points and the chuck in dumb stuff which ruins it.



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