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Brexit Impact on Northern Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    This is nonsense. Can you tell me any situation where any negotiator got everything they asked for. I think you are confusing negotiations with dictates.

    everyone (Roi, eu, USA, uk gov, all ni parties, etc) said there was no possible alternative to the rigorous implementation of the protocol - even the DUP accepted it. The ordinary unionist people said it was unacceptable and held the DUPs feet to the fire.

    we haven’t seen a deal yet, but what we do know is that these few years have brought us to a very different place and a better place for every man woman and child in ni. We will soon be back on track and further developing and cementing an inclusive ni within the uk. OWC will soon be as secure as it was pre Brexit. Onwards and upwards!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Oh absolutely, Sammy never shuts up about the seven tests. Mentions them nearly as much as some republicans on here. I trust Sammy and fellons club republicans have all had their day and we can move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So what has Jeffrey got changed?

    What has he 'negotiated'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I am not giving Jeffrey the credit. I honestly don’t know who to give credit to, other that the grassroots unionist people who stood against all those listed in my last post, including Jeffrey.

    are you suggesting that not much has changed since we were told we had to accept the rigorous implementation of the protocol?

    let’s wait and see what is in a deal, if a deal exists, and then we’ll see if our people managed to get improvements?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am absolutely telling you very little has changed with the protocol.

    everyone (Roi, eu, USA, uk gov, all ni parties, etc) said there was no possible alternative to the rigorous implementation of the protocol

    Bar the Alliance party in some offhand comment nobody told you that you 'had to accept 'rigorous implementation' of anything. There was always openness to alleviate the concerns of Unionists. You were told this time and again but could not even agree among yourselves what you actually wanted that was achievable.

    The Protocol was accepted by your government by a massive majority and not a dot on an i has changed with it as far as I can see.

    As somebody else pointed out, you are now engaged in setting up strawmen so you can claim a win.

    Whatever shoddy deal with a financial sweetner on top you do get it is a hollow victory. Unionism strategically shot itself in the foot and then took aim and shot itself in the other foot too for good measure.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,224 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    we were told we had to accept the rigorous implementation of the protocol?

    You mean the protocol that your government asked for in order to get Brexit done?

    You mean the protocol that Westminster (as part of the WA) voted overwhelmingly in favour of?

    You mean the protocol that keeps NI aligned with the EU which is what the people of NI voted for?

    You know all this but continue to portray unionists as some form of victim whose rights are being trampled on. I'm sure there are civil rights issues in NI far more worthy of unionist attention but I guess I still welcome unionism's sudden and long belated interest in equal rights, etc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,021 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    What exactly is the new breakthrough? Is it that new laws will be screened to make sure they don't impact NI place in the union? What happens if it is found that the new law does impact their place in the union?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'll say it again, the idea that a single political party is negotiating in secret and agreeing a deal that affects everyone in NI is a recipe for disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    you can check out BBC Talkback

    many commentators on and in fair agreement

    William Crawly (no friend of unionism) describes it as ‘substantial’

    Newton Emerson (always brutally honest) describes ”significant achievements”

    etc etc

    and they all agree that it seems there is more to come when it is announced



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Will be interesting to see the changes and how all the other parties react. Were any of the other parties also involved in the discussions/talks with the gov though?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is what the Telegraph says is in the deal

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    No renegotiation of WF.

    Just a bit of movement in Westminster.

    The 'patriotic rebranding' though!!! 😁😁



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Uh

    "Legislation guaranteeing Northern Ireland's place in the UK"

    What on earth could this possibly mean or entail, that didn't clash with the GFA's provisions for Border Polls and whatnot? Unless it's just a bit of paper that tells everyone that Northern Ireland is full of extra-special Good Boys who are the best unionists.

    "New East-West council on intra-UK trade ties"

    Cha-ching! I think we just found where the cosy little nest-eggs are gonna come from for various DUP wasters.

    That all reads like exactly the kind of head-patting sop I was expecting; though I'd have to agree with Francie - a first for everything? - where secret deals to placate one single party is a recipe for disaster. THough at this stage all the adults in Stormont would probably be glad to be back in work. I'm sure the striking workers would too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Anyone know who the DUP will nominate as deputy FM?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    though I'd have to agree with Francie - a first for everything?

    Still shocked I wrote something you agreed with Pixel...there'll not be a drop of diesel washed in Monaghan tonight, as they say! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭noelfirl



    Unless it's just a bit of paper that tells everyone that Northern Ireland is full of extra-special Good Boys who are the best unionists.

    This. Just this exactly. It will follow the "Rwanda is a safe country, according to us" template.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Why a new flag ? Our flag represents the green of gaels , orange (not gold) for planters and white for peace between them .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Nobody is suggesting that the DUP getting everything they asked for was the bar for success. The question is did they get anything they asked for?

    They made a big deal of their Seven Tests, is there any comment on how many have been met or how the deal is adequate enough that the tests are no longer of concern? You were heralding the agreement as being a success for the DUP, surely any success should be measured against the metric which the DUP themselves set out.

    The new deal seems to be a pile of cash, repainting the Lane to any colour but green, "screening" of laws and a(nother) talking shop. Just interested to see which tests these satisfy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,962 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Because the flag was taken and used as a symbol by a terrorist organisation. Their abuse of the flag has made it unsuitable for a united Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody owns a flag. It cannot be 'taken'.

    That's just nonsense.

    People make underpants out of the British flag...is it 'taken' as well?

    Could anyone seriously make the case for refusing to recognise it because some people 'took' it to make underpants or a towel?

    I have no issue with flag change but for goodness sake stop with the emotive stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    So . It doesn’t make it property of the Ira , In a united Ireland should we keep red post boxes too .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I am going to take that post as genuine.

    I don’t think I mention success for dup. I said every man woman and child will be better off due to the unionist people insisting concessions were required.

    the seven test were a negotiating position. I am surprised no one seems to understand this - though I suppose that demonstrates that the negotiating position was present well (that’s about all the dup done well)

    the rebranding is a tiny bit, but don’t dismiss its importance. Signage etc telling the world and his brother, as they cross the Irish Sea, that they are remaining in the great UK is useful. To try and ground it for you - do you realise the significance to many of Irish signage on road signs and streets etc. well it’s a bit like that. That’s all. Does that help you get it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Your list is not insignificant, but James Crisp is the very guy who was on radio ulster today saying he understands there is more!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It couldn't be more insignificant in terms of changing the WF...it fecking even says it hasn't been re-negotiated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    really? Do you know who decided upon the tricolour?

    I guess you must also think the union flag is perfect to represent us all as it contains the st Patrick’s cross for Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The only thing in any country that will work is people accepting the will of the majority.

    In 1998 that is what people decided by a huge majority to do - respect the wishes of what the majority wanted, even if it was not what they wanted.

    Same thing will apply in a UI.

    Same thing will apply in NI if it remains. No more vetos for anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    No it contains a St Patrick saltire . Which was an English flag for Ireland and has no place in an united Ireland .

    The orange on the Irish flag wasn’t chosen by Ireland , it’s the colour you march under every 12th . We don’t have a bank holiday and marches to rub unionists nose in it about our victory in the War of Independence .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    !!!!!!!!! What are the 'gaels' made up of? What are your 'planters' made up of? If you think your a genuine 'gael', go get a DNA test and compare your genome compared agin the 'planters'. You'll find you're one and the same.

    Anyway the tricolour is totally unsuitable, there are better alternatives.

    But what has this to do with Brexit, which as predicted would cast a very long shadow over relationships in NI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I have no idea how it was mentioned in the thread . Anyway , as someone living in the north , I don’t notice any difference . Though I haven’t been to any of the big British chains since Brexit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    The gaels I mentioned were the indigenous people on the island before England colonised us



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,100 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'shadow' is coming from further away Furze.

    It's a partition shadow. NO partition, no Brexit issues. It has haunted Ireland since it was done and continues to this day. It is now haunting the British who can hardly take a sovereign **** as a result of their 100 year old folly.

    That fact will probably finally dispel the shadow. Listen to unionists foretelling it.



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