What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

I watched him for longer than that when he was here in Ireland, across multiple events - and I can honestly say I saw nothing to make me think he had any such issues. That was less than 12 months ago.

I watched him give a speech from the White House lawn last summer, again more than 10 minutes, he was grand.

Haley might also have the advantage of being untried with the job. People know what a Trump presidency is like, and now a Biden presidency, so if they're not into either option then Haley might be worth giving a chance in some voters eyes.

However, regardless of what a Haley / Biden competition would look like on it's own merits, I can't help but imagine what a Haley victory in the GOP primaries would unleash within the GOP itself and among Trump's cultists. Let's assume for the sake of disscussion that we have a situation where enough moderate GOP voters are sick enough with Trump to give their vote to Haley and thus the nomination. What would happen next?

We know Trump doesn't just conceed defeat or do any of the normal stuff people are supposed to do when they lose a vote. I wonder if he'll do the same as he did for the 2020 vote, drag his heels, bring court cases against the RNC, or even pull a Jan.6 onto the registration of delegates at the end of this? Send a load of MAGA sicofants to try to derail the process? And *then what?* If Trump's gambit fails, the GOP vote is still likely split to the point that they can't hope to beat the Dems. If he succeeded in getting the GOP nomination by clearly facist means, then it would surely be clear to even the most policitally ignorant moderate voter that Trump cannot be the person they vote for.

I wonder if this is a "damned if they do, and damned if they don't" situation, where a good showing by Biden may beat a Trump campaign, where-as any Haley campaign will likely be torpedoed by copious amounts of MAGA/Trump stupidity.

Why are his approval ratings so low If he's doing a fantastic job?

Immigration?

The economy didn't tank under Trump the first time so I don't see why it would now. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/14/assessments-of-joe-biden/

Clearly most Americans don't feel he's doing a good job.

A poll from The Hill showed 61% of people don't want Biden to run again while 53% don't want Trump to run. So are the American people all idiots for not noticing the brilliance of Joe Biden? Or could it be that as I said both candidates are terrible and it's a shame that Americans are left with 2 choices they don't want.

Why did you believe the narrative that he was failing despite all the indicators otherwise?

The economy didn't tank, mostly due his tax cuts which helped keep consumer spending high, and unemployment figures down.

However, the knock-on effect of that was much less money coming in, which resulted in him expanding the US national debt by 7 trillion just in order to keep the US going, with public services, and by extension the poorest in the US, the worst hit.

Covid played a role in debt amount as well in fairness to Trump. But again, had the cash been there in the first place it might have mitigated some of the economic problems. Not to mention his disbanding of the pandemic response plan, which also had an economic plan as part of the response. So in the end due to his economic policies, the US economy was hit harder than it should have been by Covid.

That's on Trump as he was the one who made the decisions.

And those polls are skewed somewhat. The Pew research company was founded by very strict conservatives and picks mainly form conservative areas, which tend to have negative views of Democrats at the best of times. It's a sad fact that in the US, pretty much every poll is pointless as they're al biased towards their side. A poll by a democrat leaning organisation would likely say Biden is doing a top job, and that Trump is a fundamental danger to the US (which he is).

As Joe says...

"Don't compare me to the almighty... Compare me to the alternative"