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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • Ah lads some of ye really don't have a clue about his job. A lot of assumptions. Being involved with multiple high performing sports teams in parallel, providing 1-1 consultations, 2 released books and the instragram will bring in income.

    As an aside - I thought that program highlighted the absolute shocking value of housing in Dublin. They bought that 2 years ago for 500k and and have had to dump money into it to bring it up to scratch. In todays market the house would probably cost 600-700k.

    Just my 2c but give me a nice regional house on a bit of land or a villa in Spain with a pool anyway of the week.

    This market is nuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Wages are nuts as well if a young solicitor earn €100k plus (the figure someone quoted in the previous post), working from home for some of the week (possibly with kids under her feet) and in a office the rest. The whole thing is not sustainable, any more than the boom of 2004-2007 was.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • I didn’t see any kids under her feet, did you or do you know them personally?


    typical working from home routines for parents do not involve that, they involve kids in crèches / childminders etc! WFH has been a thing for 4 years if someone is minding their kids while working then they would have been found out at this stage.


    fyi, I posted to this thread an hour ago, hence how I saw your post, I know you are sensitive and paranoid about posters replying to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    yeh I guess. and I don't think ireland has the level of smallish property investors renting and flipping property to support a homes under the hammer style program. ( which sad to say we have on record) which is in season 26 1196 episodes

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Sunny Dayz, you say "the wife working from the cold playroom" and "visions of her trying to amuse the kids etc". I hope George Early Transition does not read your post or they may attack you even worse than they attacked me!

    I wonder if they upgraded insulation in the attic or replaced windows (upgraded?) upstairs etc in order to go from D to A BER? For a series "all about grants" (Dermot's words) and seeing as they availed of the energy grant (worth thirty something thousand afaik ) , there was not much detail.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    In fairness to the husband, he said at the start the wife wanted a house in Dublin. Sounds like he'd be happy anywhere, even down the country, but much of his business and her work is in Dublin so not easy to make the move. I can see them moving in a few years though, that back garden will get to them in the end. They'll get a good price for the house and can move somewhere with a bigger garden.

    He got really emotional over those rocks, but obviously very personal to him.

    I'd say eventually they'd move back to Sligo and buy a mansion there and do some sort of commuting to Dublin once or twice a week.

    Dermot did a good job, ticked all their boxes and just about stayed within budget. He's getting better at this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    think she only works 3 days a week , so probably coming out with about €60



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Gardens and plants seemed to be anathema to her anyway. Some people, more than you might think are like that. Many would live happily with outdoor spaces as easily maintained as that and do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    For a series "all about grants" (Dermot's words) and seeing as they availed of the energy grant (worth thirty something thousand afaik ) , there was not much detail.

    They very clearly said the whole house would be retrofitted and that the upstairs layout would remain the same.

    Not sure what else there is to say. A few action shots of lads laying insulation in the attic isn't exactly riveting TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    We have established ( although it was not mentioned on the programme) they fitted a samsung heat pump, so they changed the heating system. It was not shown on the tv programme except on a brief birds eye view of the whole property : you can make it out half way down the side wall of the garden. They also put exterior cladding on some (but not all - they kept the brick at the front) of the exterior walls. The rest is quite vague, for a series "all about grants", but at least the house turned out quite nice in the end and the couple seemed happy with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     A few action shots of lads laying insulation in the attic isn't exactly riveting TV.

    We actually got a few. 😀

    Also, nobody said anything about the show being 'all' about one thing either. That poster is getting increasingly desperate in the conspiracy theorising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I would say its more for the kids, the garden is too small. Fine for toddlers, but when they start looking for trampolines and swings and so on, not great. Husband seemed a bit iffy about Dublin, passed the decision off as hers. So sounds like he'd be happy to go anywhere, and was not as pushy as it appeared to come across in the program. He seemed to have a strong connection to Sligo, so who knows in a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yeh, it would be too small IMO too but that doesn't escape the fact that to many it is adequate. I'm sure they didn't buy a big house to live as a couple for their days and planned to start a family there. They would likely have considered the size of the garden then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I loved the idea of the stone tiles behind the coffee machine but did anyone else notice that the top row were mis-aligned? I'd be fuming if that happened to such a focal point of my renovation!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,228 ✭✭✭✭event


    Some people want the whole episode to be a Youtube How-To guide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    My one takeaway from the last episode was the cost of a planter - were they making it from gold? Think he was quoting €4k. You could easily make a wooden planter for around €200 - €300.

    The other thing that infuriates me about RTI is that they are not happy to do things down the line. I know they need the shiny new finished house for the show, but it's unrealistic. It's better to do what you can now and then save to do the rest later, rather than overstretching with loans. I understand the logic behind putting the foundations for the shed in, but the shed/ outdoor room could have been left for later. Likewise, the trees / shrubs could be done at a later date, or better still, buy saplings for a fraction of the price and watch them grow.

    I'm not sure if this is true, but I heard that all the swanky furniture is put in for the show and it doesn't belong to the owners. That always struck me with the show... the homeowners were often stretched beyond their budget but behold, they have a €2k armchair and €1k coffee table. I would prefer if we get to see the house as it is, rather than it being dressed by professionals with high-value rental pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Never noticed that. I think the 6 stone tiles are a nice touch, and clearly mean a lot to the occupiers, so a great idea. The top tiles are smaller than the middle tiles which are smaller than the bottom tiles, but that would not bother me. If you are looking for something to be misaligned, the switches beside it are the same size or not level or evenly spaced from one another, is that what you mean?

    What would bother me more about the kitchen is that corner of that great big slab of Roscommon granite counter top sticking out, and to a small toddler visiting or running around would be dangerous to hit their head off as it may not be in their eye level and no leg to support it. Saw a child split their head open once and not a pretty sight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    I couldn't figure out how they pulled that off. There were too many tiles to be from the single rock that he brought for cutting, and the size was off - the tiles looked too big to be from the rock they cut. They looked like shop-bought tiles but he was quite emotional about them, so I'm wrong or he should change his career to acting. Perhaps they had other larger rocks but they all looked very uniform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The rest is quite vague, for a series "all about grants"

    You seem utterly fixated on this off-the-cuff comment from Dermot. It was a throwaway remark, not some sort of mission statement for the series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I think there's some kind of reasonable middle ground to be had in fairness. A quick run through of the retrofit details and benefits would be informative and to be expected imo.

    I certainly could have forgone the few minutes we lost seeing the 3 flutes in the kitchen and not a chef between them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd agree that some information could be provided, particularly expected cost savings on energy, what type of heating system is installed and how it works, or were there any changes that had to be made to accommodate the system.

    They definitely don't need to get into the nitty gritty of what thickness of insulation they added etc, as anything like that isn't going to matter to most people because it would be different for so many different properties, but things like the expected cost savings from going from a D2 to an A2, or any other challenges that had to be addressed to accommodate the retrofit of insulation/heating system etc could help give people a better idea on if it's something they should consider, rather than "Doesn't Donal Skehan have a lovely bright wee kitchen!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I noticed that too, but then I would expect that if Dermot went to the trouble of bringing a stone to Co. Laois to be cut, he probably took 2 or three, in case one cracked or did not work out or whatever. It looked like limestone? I thought the thinnest limestone could be cut was 1" but they must have succeeded in cutting it thinner to mach the level of the other tiles beside it. Great idea and it looks well.


    I agree. Hundreds of thousands of people are in their homes shivering and with high energy bills, and were or are wondering about these grant aided insulation / energy upgrades. If they are worth going for etc. Still no wiser really. Even if it was just on a seperate off peak programme which could be recorded and watched again. Would be very cheap for RTE to make too. ( the cook on R to I in that other kitchen said he can make viewable content with a phone. I will not call him a flute like you do, lets just call him a cook ).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Agreed. Its a fairly well-worn format at this stage but I have to say much more watchable than something like Grand Designs which can get too much into the nitty gritty. There's usually a human interest or back story element to RTI whereas something like Grand Designs or similar focus on the nuts and bolts. Plus a lot of the Grand Design projects end up as complete failures, costly mistakes, or half done, whereas Dermot tends to deliver and is getting better at doing it on budget. RTI does go a lot into details such as costs and where to source things so not totally neglecting that part. I'd imagine they can't do product placements though such as naming a particular brand of heat pump.

    I think the balance is just right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Got a screenshot: the grout line of the top row (above the shelf) is about half a centimetre further to the right of the rest of the run. Just a small detail but one that would set my OCD on edge!

    tiles.png

    Looking at the number of tiles they got, it certainly looks like Dermot brought a boot load of rocks to the stone masons rather than just the one we saw on-screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It actually amazes me that CoCo TV don't have a Youtube channel with more of the "behind the scenes" details of each episode. Think it could be a nice little money spinner for them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,228 ✭✭✭✭event


    Maybe. That info is easily gotten online (I posted a link to it myself yesterday) but I suppose everyone wants everything spoon fed these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Show us where online yesterday you posted even basic details like did the upgrade windows upstairs ( say single or double glazed to triple? ) and if they increased insulation levels in attic. The Room to Improve programme - after all the waffle and discussion about the garden and planting, did not even show the left hand side of the garden at the end because there plonked in the middle of it is a great big heat pump, probably relatively noisy like most heat pumps ( 60 db ) ? With those programmes, remember they only show what they want to show.

    Slightly more info would be great : like was it a d2 or d3 : it is now an A2 or A3? Someone else said they "could have forgone the few minutes we lost seeing the 3 flutes in the kitchen and not a chef between them" and it is hard not to agree with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,228 ✭✭✭✭event


    Oh sorry I meant the information a reasonable person would like to know.

    The insulation level in the attic. For the lamb of jesus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Your average RTI viewer is far more interested in seeing Donal Skehan than in BER ratings.

    Maybe just stop watching it, it seems to upset you greatly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    A bit of middle ground is required: many people would find that some fella telling everyone how he does his cookery videos on his phone in the kitchen is (a) boring (b) not going to save you hundreds of euro a year in electricity or energy, or make for a nicer house. So hard to please everyone, I know. Personally, on a house programme, I love to see attractive, beautiful, asthetically pleasing, different, breaking the mould architecture that is also safe, practical, value for money with cutting edge technology and is also environmentally friendly and "cheap to run". There are always compromises and trade offs. Such is life. Interesting to see the processes, the people involved, the firms trying to get a plug in too.

    Lots of us are living in houses built 30 or 40 or 50 years ago and wondering how to make them warmer / better / open to ideas.

    Room to Improve, while not perfect, is a good attempt. And not much else to watch on TV anyway.

    Post edited by Francis McM on


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