Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Since 2019 have they bothered their holes doing anything other than blame and attack Israel?

Clearly you have the inside track on Palestinian activities since 2019 so I'll take your word for it.

My heart goes out to them. Gaza needs to be free from Hamas. That’s why I can’t understand that the pro palestinian protesters never chant or hold placards about this. There are placards about all sorts of stuff but Hamas get a pass. Why?

Why are the civilian population of Gaza not being allowed to leave the arena of the fighting between IDF and Hamas et al?

Would most of them take up this option if offered ?

What parties are preventing this from happening?

Is it Egypt and the Arab neighbours ?

Is it Israel?

Is it Europe ?

If the civilians were allowed to evacuate for the duration of the fighting wouldn't this resolve itself in very short order?

Never ever? Everywhere? You checked? Omnisciently?

Ths ISW (institute for the study of war) are doing excellent wartime analysis at least daily sometimes twice daily supported by good reference maps.

This is just some of their morning bulletin released today. I’m open to correction on their authenticity but I have found their updates on Ukrainian/ Russian very informative.

Going by their analysis and seeing that the Israelis have now been reengaged in battle in the north, an area they had previously declared largely cleared and free of terrorist activity there’s little sign in sight of any cessation of hostilities.

Rocket attacks are still a near daily occurrence too it seems.

The West Bank also show little sign of settling down.

Been over this. In all the pages so far:

• only 1 poster who says he has been to 2 protests said he saw or heard (can’t quite recall) something about releasing hostages.

another posted a video of someone holding up a Hamas Out type placard and the person was chased away.

A mob chased away the anti Iranian protester in London who had been camped outside the Iranian embassy for a long time.

I watched one. Nothing to criticise Hamas. The Gazans who want rid of Hamas have no direct support on these marches.

Thats it. Every other march I have looked at nothing, naddah but sure you attack me and ignore the glaring point that Hamas escape public criticism at these marches. Why?

Why would you not want to at the very least concede that Hamas are a problem to peace in Gaza? Why take the approach you did? Baffling.

There was "Free Gaza from Hamas" posters at a pro-Israeli march.

But since Israel are now Nazi's those signs were evil and genocidal.

Yes especially when those signs actually want Hamas dealt with.

No way can that be considered.

What war crime charge has been lodged?

Sorry I meant the icj case allegation of genocide, I was typing quickly

"Hamas are the reason for this current bout of conflict" - well then, posters against them being held up at marches for peace are not "strange" at all, or shouldn't be. What do you think a one-sided ceasefire from Israel could possibly achieve other than to allow Hamas to regroup and start all over again?

Or are Israel not allowed to defend themselves against murders by Hamas?

I have a problem with Israel killing 20k odd civilians and that figure is only going up. Their methods are not protecting civilian life and will only produce the next generation of terrorists. People seem to be under the misconception that destroying Hamas will bring peace not taking into account the circumstances that created Hamas.

But we're not talking about Israel here - this is about people objecting to Hamas. In the west.

Hamas whom you agree started this particular bout of violence in which Gazans are dying by the thousand. Hamas who have murdered hundreds of Palestinian opponents in Gaza. Who for years have been misappropriating UN funds for refugees in order to maintain their war against Israel.

You're literally saying that nobody should protest against Hamas starting the war until - what? Until Israel have been forced by western pressure to give up and allow Hamas to regroup and do it all again - as they've promised to? That'll work.