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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    not a hope in hell and im willing to put a €50 bet on with you, for charity, that he will not be named as ireland WRC captain in 2027



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Unless he runs for president in 2025 of course. Then its the Aras for 14 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    No Prendergast is a strange decision, think he’s been excellent this season and making big plays regularly POM style. Hodnett is also unlucky not to be named.

    Amazing to see Healy back in. It says a lot about our depth at LH that he’s still making the squad when Leinster are slow to play him off the bench in the biggest games (got 2 mins off the bench in 2023 HC final and 10 against LAR on last trip there). Obviously a lot of this is down to Porters engine but it’s still concerning.

    POM is a logical choice as a squad captain if we’re looking to win this tournament but I think at least one of Baird and Prendergast should be getting starts. It will be an opportunity lost if POM starts all 5 games at 6. Maybe Farrell also sees POM starting at 7 freeing up the 6 jersey and springing VDF from the bench.

    We know Farrell is a vibes man. Might also have been a factor behind giving POM the captaincy (deserves the honour of being an Irish captain) and getting Healy the cap record (especially after his pre World Cup injury).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    It was at the start of December, and larochelle were going very badly then

    Furlong didnt play.

    Porter played 30 mins

    Vdf didnt start.

    POM is only back and hasnt 80 mins played.

    There is most definaltey a lack of high level game time amongst what will be the starting 15 in a little over 2 weeks.

    With the exception of Beirne I would not have any of the most likely starting 15 at anything over 90% international match ready at this point.

    It bodes well for the team as the competition progresses and for the clubs as the business end of the season approaches, but currently they are undercooked.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Danny Drier


    A scared selection and no thoughts to building to 2027 World Cup. No surprise it’s always 1/4 finals exits. Farrell already seems to be obsessed with Lions job - against an atrocious Australia it really is a waste of everyone’s time and energies



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    How likely do you think it is that retires prior to the RWC? I would suggest very likely. Certainly more likely than not.

    In which case, where's the problem?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    France did just that in the last RWC, look where that got them...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    You don't build for a World Cup right after the previous one ends. Four year cycles are a load of nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You beat me to it, syd, but I'd imagine the "unless he retires" stipulation will get TRC off the hook...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Clontarf_Jazz


    I'd have preferred in he named a squad of 37 & then had the 3 trainees as Cathal Forde, John Hodnett , Nathan Doak or even Antoine Frisch / Jack Boyle.

    .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,130 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


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    Harsh on Prendergast but seems like the WC he’s unfortunately in a line behind the best depth we have had at 6



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    100% anything is possible but France have to be favorites for the grand slam, get have everything on paper.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,221 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I dunno why anyone is mentioning Doak, he is struggling to get starts for Ulster and his form has been middling for a while now. I doubt the was on the radar at all, and I don't think he's going to put himself on the radar until he passes out Cooney.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭mun1


    congratulations to Peter O'Mahony , Ireland Captain. well deserved, a special player and a legend of the Irish game.

    The garden will have to wait.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    the odds of 'no grand slam' are shorter than the odds of france winning one.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ha, if POM was going to captain Ireland to the world cup he would not be having a well publicised fight over the poor offers or lack of offers for his contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Clontarf_Jazz


    I'm surprised Farrell didn't just name a squad of 37 & then have 3 trainees from Neil Doak, Cathal Forde, John Hodnett, Anton Fritsch or even Jack Doyle as Michael Milne is injured I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    POM as Captain is a mistake.

    I've all the respect in the World for him, but he isn't going to make the next WC. He won't be on the Lions in 2025, even with Farrell in the chair. Unless Farrell does end up bringing him to justify his Captaincy now in some fashion. Which would compound the mistake.

    Peter is a Munster and Ireland great. But right now we are suffering the loss of a another player that stayed on too long, and was certainly kept on as Captain waaaaaay too long.

    And while it is right that greats like O'Mahony and Healy are in this squad to set the example of what it is to be a Test player, the commitment and the work ethic and just everything about the culture, I suspect if you asked Healy if either of them should be Captain, he'd say no.

    To my mind, the Captain shortlist should have been:

    Furlong, Beirne, Ryan, Henderson, VdF, Henshaw, Ringrose and Keenan.

    From that, I would have made Ringrose Captain, Beirne Vice-Captain and pack leader and Van Der Flier as Third, if needed on field and for leadership duties in Camp.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    December? A whole month ago?

    Porter went off after 32 mins for a blood injury and came back on. He was still on the field well into the 70 mins plus (blocked down a kick in the closing minutes).

    VDF played brilliantly when he came in - the competition for his shirt actually probably is a good thing and drove his performance more.

    POM has played 103 mins for Munster this season between Stormers and Toulon, and played well in Toulon. We also have Ryan Baird who is playing brilliantly challenging for that shirt.

    The lack of high level gametime is more to do with the fact that there just aren't that many tough games for the provinces up to this time of year realistically, and I don't know what you can do about it. You could make the exact same argument for the Leinster contingent this time 12 months ago (had had four soft European cup games, by comparison to the battle this time against La Rochelle) and they still won the Grand Slam.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Shayne Bolton is another player that should be high up on the Radar.

    He would benefit from being included on the Irish Summer tour

    Hes 24 and has the speed of a winger and the frame of a 12. He could be an international level player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    It boils down to the fact that POM is still Farrells No.1 at 6.

    & Fair enough he was always the de facto leader in the pack.


    It does strike me as a little odd that he has now moved away from James Ryan.

    e.g. Ryan named captain back in Nov 2020 without Sexton. POM also starting. And also the end game in Oct 6N game v Fra.


    Probably a bit of 'Team Loyalty' from Farrell to POM in his current contract situation.

    & Prob also an indicator that Joe McCarthy is pushing hard for selection beside Beirne



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    France selected a panel of minnows. Nothing to worry about!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal




  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Beckett Melodic Slipknot


    Delighted to see POM named as captain. An experienced proven leader on and off the pitch is just what we need in this 6N. Let him set the tone while younger leaders step up more around him then make the change when Farrell starts to transition him out of the match day 15 and 23.

    Also, if anyone can lead us back to having a great lineout from the pitch it's him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    That's a fair shout, It probably highlights the mix the Irish selectors want, we have two big imposing wingers on the left, and two speedy tricky wingers on the right. Bolton could sub in for Lowe/Stockdale for sure and play in a similar way. He has shown himself to be capable under the high ball and has a destructive carry, don't know anything about his defense or his kicking though, could there be doubts there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Hes from SA so kicking shouldnt be a massive problem, plus Lowe is prone to some wayward kicking from time to time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Clontarf_Jazz


    Given Harry Byrne has an injury profile that's a cross between that of Sam Warburton & Sean O'Brien you could in theory easily see SP benching in the 6N by accident given how awful the alternatives are (Carty/Burns). As we all know LAR have a 19 year old (Hugo Reus) playing well & regularly in the Top 14. If your good enough you're old enough ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    I think this squad makes a lot of sense. We're losing a vital part of what made our team tick in Sexton, and are without Hansen, who is a very important part of our attack. Given that we'll have a very new 10 stepping into such a big hole, of course we want some stability around them.

    The main thing this team needs is to regain some momentum and confidence. Throwing out everyone over 33 and hoping that the replacements gel immediately is madness. A couple of shaky performances and the public would be writing them off. And if that happened on the watch of a new less experienced captain, then their leadership will immediately be questioned. If it happens with POM, who cares, he's only going to be there for a year or so.

    Personally I'd pick him as captain for the 6N and probably the Summer tour. Across those 8 games, I could see 3 where he either isn't involved, or is on the bench. Come November I'd move onto whoever captained those as the long term successor.

    The squad is pretty consistent, but I expect to see some of the pecking order being rotated. Casey overtaking Murray, Loughman overtaking Healy (that one might need to be enforced a little bit) and McCarthy squeezing into the 23 more regularly etc. Then by next November the Murrays and Healys can be swapped out for the new blood

    Farrell has built a very good team with an effective game plan. Our style has been developing steadily and I see no reason that'll stop now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    The year of our lord 2024 and I still had to read 'zebo for Ireland,' 'class is permanent,' 'we could do with his flair.' Finally, no more. That heel flick against Wales did untold damage to Irish rugby's psyche, but we are healing at last.



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