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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Better not answering questions if you can't answer it sensibly and just spout rubbish. You never answered a question sensibly yet. Think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    Looks like nobody is falling for it though except the usual few gullible crew. Government getting absolutely hammered for yesterdays scenes on social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    See this OK. Just shows how far out of touch rte reporting is. Really shows how much the government pulls the strings here now.

    It's no wonder that they are mad to get the hate speech and social media posting bills passed. Imagine if rte was the only news feed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Why don't you answer the simple question I posed?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You are not making sense. The 20 hotels burned down would have provided accomodation.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    What simple question. Do I need to explain to you why yesterday was a well reported exercise of crying women and children seemingly needing Gardai to protect them. Why not the usual exercise of bringing in buses of young designer clothed men under the cover of darkness

    Hopefully the penny will drop for you, but I wouldn't hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    What does this even mean? Importing people from poor places makes your own country poor? I'm not sure this is always the case, look at Canada and Australia, I found those places to be far more diverse than ireland and they're doing relatively ok compared to the vast majority of countries in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Those countries in the past did not provide free welfare and accommodation.You had to work and got nothing for free. How many times does this have to be repeated to the thick .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    You should try stand up.

    Look into the immigration control in Australia and Canada and compare it to us having none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I never mentioned free welfare and accommodation though, just that they have people from all over the world living there, many from poor countries. This was a response to someone saying importing poor people ruins your country basically.

    Anyway yes Canada does provide accommodation "IRCC holds leases and contracts with 23 hotels across Canada with a capacity of over 2,400 rooms and has contracts with service providers in order to provide temporary accommodation to asylum claimants until they secure private accommodation or while they await transfer to a provincial shelter."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Something like 40,000 people entered Canada illegally last year over land and claimed asylum, 1000s arrived by air and did the same every month too.

    ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭jack of all


    It's simple really: importing swathes of unskilled, uneducated people with little to no english language skills, who will be unlikely to be able to ever fully support themselves financially is a heavy drain on Irish taxpayers, who themselves may be struggling to maintain their own standard of living in a cost of living crisis. I feel zero obligation to support citizens from foreign lands who rock up here from safe countries to avail of our over generous welfare system. So yes, importing poor people, with very little to offer us is a very poor plan indeed. Strangely enough I would prefer my income taxes to pay for the services that I and my family may avail of, the social contract if you will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I was speaking about the past remember .!!

    An Irish person would be deported swiftly today .Importing poor people and providing them with welfare and housing does cost a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    But don't we have full employment in Ireland pretty much?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You couldn't find the question? Ok lets try again.

    You said: "Crying women and children =staged."

    I asked whether the women and children were told to cry. Or were they genuinely upset?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    RoG on the radio a few minutes taking about yesterday's show for the cameras,he talked about the level of Violence shown before correcting himself with intimidation ....

    Talking about lieing through his arse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You claimed it was only hearsay that there were threats to burn down Rackett Hall. You have been proven wrong.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I claimed there were no assaults and was proven right.

    Poster then deflected to fire threats (which I give no attention to given people are actually in the building now) and your source is a faceless "Karma Unicorn" from Twitter? No tinfoil hats on you anyway lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    So the Canadian one that you think Ireland should follow.

    What about Australia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You claimed fire threats were hearsay. You were proved wrong because they are not.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    It was answered in my last post to you.

    If you can't figure it out it probably figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's a lot harder to get to than canada but yes they put asylum seekers up in hotels too. I was just making the point that what we do in Ireland isn't that different to elsewhere when it comes to asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Tinfoil hats are not sources, so I'll take it as no legitimate threats as of yet. Anyone can find anything on Twitter if they're dim enough to believe it.

    That's enough pestering from you now on with our days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭mykrodot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No pestering. You were proved wrong. Its not hearsay.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Village Hotel in Bettystown up next. Cancelling weddings and parties as it’s becoming a centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No it wasn't answered. Very simple question. You made the claim so stand by it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    One thing I would really like someone who thinks that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    the more glaring thing about what happened in Roscrea was that it was specifically set up, probably over the weekend (a plan put together) to bring in a few women and children. This NEVER happens, its ALWAYS bus loads of men. Its always during the night. This was done specifically to shame the people of Roscrea and wrong foot them. And while some might say it worked that is only superficially. Each time this kind of thing happens and local needs are not addressed there is a rapidly growing undercurrent of anger and frustration built out of helplessness.

    These are local people, who are now facing increasingly stretched services, no hotel for any family events, non existent GP services, a loss of jobs. Nenagh hospital has been closed which would have been the local for Roscrea so that means even more pressure on University Hospital Limerick by bringing in more and more migrants . This is the hospital where Aoife Johnston died last year, after 12 hours on a trolley!! NOTHING is thought through by this Government!

    Is this the price Irish people have to pay? Just because the Government have no plan, no end in sight, for some reason the more people protest the more they push through their actions. Its almost like they're in denial. People have common sense, brains, intellect. The dogs on the street can see this is going to end in disaster so believe it or not that is why there is rising opposition to all of this, no matter where people are coming from, no matter if they are women and children! It is not working.

    What on earth are the Government doing, calling ordinary people racist, violent, aggressive, sending in riot police which only made things worse! What kind of a country are we now living in?

    Roderic O Gorman, Leo Varadkar, Micheal Martin, Helen McEntee, Simon Harris, Newstalk presenters, RTE Presenters all go home at night to their leafy Dublin 4, Dublin 6 houses or sprawling Meath and Wicklow houses, surrounded by gardens and trees. They live a life of privilege. They have a myriad of cafes, restaurants, hotels, wine bars to go to to meet their friends for parties. Yet the ONLY HOTEL in Roscrea is closed, leaving that community with nothing and Sinead Ryan on Newstalk sat on the show last night and called everyone in Roscrea racist thugs. How dare she as she sits in her ivory tower looking down her nose at everyone who doesn't live in her world. Do these people ever step outside of Dublin?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭tom23




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