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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    It's obvious the Greens are hell bent on reducing air travel and tourism in general. If hotels are full to the brim with immigrants then there is nowhere for tourists to stay hence them not coming equalling less air travel.

    It's fairly sinister but at the same time the greedy hotel owners are as culpable as they are stupid as they will go out of business in the long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    Considering the the power grid is already strained because of the ever increasing number of data centres being built, increasing the number of EV's on the road is going to considerably add to that strain, does the government have a plan in place of our electricity demands for the next 2 decades as we move from ICE vehicles to EV's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    oh yeah any future government can certainly remove any restrictions imposed by a past government, but they'd need to actively bring in legislation to do that. Which will be very difficult politically especially in a coalition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    Don't be silly. This government doesn't do long term planning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Blut2


    It does not:

    "National grid operator Eirgrid predicts that all-Ireland electricity demand will rise 43 per cent over the 10 years to 2032, while suppliers have backed out on pledges to build new generators. The State company warns that the outlook remains challenging “with capacity deficits identified during the 10 years to 2032″.

    Eirgrid says it expects electricity supply and demand to be particularly tight over the next five winters. Its report notes that steps taken to avoid shortages include keeping older power plants open beyond their scheduled closing date."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/01/13/squeezed-electricity-supplies-may-force-state-to-fall-back-on-older-fossil-burning-power-plants-eirgrid-report/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    At the end of the day in economics it all comes back to that old saying, "money talks, bullshit walks"

    The German government, the mother and father of this green wind revolution that is in large part to blame for much of the present European energy crisis with their reliance (and their often bullyboy tactics of attempting to encourage others to do the same) on Putin`s gas as a transitional energy source, are cutting their Climate and Transformation Fund for 2024 by €12 Billion with further cuts of €33 Billion between 2024 and 2027. And that is a coalition government that includes greens in a country that was the economic powerhouse of Europe.

    I don`t think anybody really believes at this stage that the economics behind this present plan are viable. If they do then they have not shown how they believe it is. It doesn`t really matter that much who is in a future government. Economics is like tailoring, you have to cut your cloth to suit your purse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    No government plan I have seen other than the offshore wind plan of 50/50 split of generation between consumption and hydrogen.

    Eirgrid have predicted that our needs by 2050 will be double our present taking it to around 14 GW. Under the present government plan that would require 70GW generation by offshore wind. Even fantasy economics would not come close to the cost required for that. A cost that nobody other than the consummer would be paying. We have also guaranteed these offshore companies that we will pay for all they generate even if we do not need or use it. Again to be paid for by nobody other than the consummer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Really disappointing article in the Irish Times. It perpetuates the myth of an urban rural divide in Green Party support, with rural areas being anti Green Party.

    The reality is that the vast majority of urban areas are anti Green Party as well. You only have to look at their pathetic polling figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    It's very worrying that a fringe political organisation like the Greens can poll so low in the last election yet do so much damage to a nation in a short space of time. Brings into question the whole system of electing our government and it's long term viability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well the fact of the matter is that the modern Green Party here is an urban party, they pursue policies that service and address the needs of urban living. And have given up really on rural Ireland. Malcolm Noonan's base for example is Kilkenny, a large town. So it's not a myth to say they hope to elected from the green leafy suburbs. The bite there is that increasingly rental and purchase of property is a problem for middle class adult children and whilst there are many causes, boosting the population with tens of thousands of new arrivals annually ain't helping.

    This is the bit I don't get. The Green agenda would be hopeful of reducing air travel alright but in theory the Greens should be hugely behind domestic tourism, the staycation etc. The paradox is that they've been busy shafting domestic rural tourism this past year and two. I don't think they understand the effects on towns like Killarney. Sure the rich Yanks & well paid politicians & public servants can still stay there and play golf. But those visitors with less disposable income have been frozen out by the conversion of cheaper accommodation to refugee use.

    Catherine Martin is Minister for Tourism. I can't recall a single announcement that I came across in the past year from her, supporting domestic tourism. I've heard her on about culture and artists etc - but domestic tourism, she's missing in action completely afaik.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,577 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    80 year old man blows circa €40k on an electric car and solar panels to save money, he will never save 1 single cent back in his lifetime, this green crazyness shouldn't be encouraged by RTÉ having it on their website.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    Even IF Ireland and the EU ever achieve "net zero", i bet it makes no difference at all to global temperatures. I anticipate we'll then see them fully pivot to the next gimmick : Carbon sequestration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,603 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    What's happening now (in this thread and elsewhere given some of the news reports and articles posted) is that people are realising that ideology and good thoughts rarely do well when they come up against economics and realpolitik.

    It was the same the last time our Green fantasists were in power - once the reality of the financial crisis started to sink in, all their notions were quickly moved on from in the face of a far more pressing reality.

    The same is true now. The country is in the midst of a housing and immigration crisis (on top of all the other problems that FG and their coalition colleagues have failed to address or actively made worse over the past 12/13 years), and we have Ryan threatening our energy security so he can push his nonsense of cycleways everywhere!

    The only cycle we need to complete is the one where he and his bunch are once again returned to irrelevancy - not that 7% of the vote from those who bothered to turn out at all last time was ever a ringing endorsement in the first place!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Gas being a transition fuel was always BS. Coal powerstations needed replacing and economics favoured gas over everything else by a country mile. Gas happening to have lower CO2 per MWh was used as some cheap virtue-signalling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Is this not obvious? Firstly, travel will be curtailed and taxes will rise. Expect per mile taxation linked to the NCT or something like that. Households still using fossil fuels will be hit with levies on the properties. They'll be devalued and loans won't be given based on poor BER ratings. Agriculture will be decimated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Is there any limit to the stupidity Ryan talks about?

    so they hike up the tolls and force cars to drive through the cities and now he wonders why? They built the most expensive children’s hospital in the world, and those who will work there will have their parking space removed? Is this geezer for real?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Blut2


    I mean, I don't doubt thats the Green's plan. But unless they end up as a majority party in government I can't see anything remotely like that actually being implemented this decade by FF/FG/SF. It'd be electoral suicide, and none of those three are that wedded to the environmental agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Wrong. They are all currently wedded to it. The green have been in government 9 of the last 18 years. There's no major reason to think they won't be back next time around. It's probably the current trio or SF and some small looney crew



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    What the current political establishment will never understand, is what they and their fellow travelers in media and NGOs call populism is the political blowback against the social disruption that their own policies have produced. They do not want to understand the connection between what they have done and the current outcome, that's why of late they tar and feather everyone who objects as "far right" or whatever the epithet of the day happens to be.

    It was FG (Enda Kenny) who chained us to the EU block, in the 2015 Paris agreement, completely untenable goals that must be abandoned or else produce nonsense statistics that are obviously lies and undermine their credibility even further. Both Germany and the UK are ground zero in regard to so the failure of green energy to deliver reliable output and cheap prices. As a small economy on the outskirts of mainland Europe, Irish politics tends to hitch its wagon to whoever has the money and resources, this has been generally successful, however, blind adherence to agendas outside your direct voters concerns culminates with removal from the political stage.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    I'm finding it's a lot of the small independents that are the sensible ones and the major political organisations that are the looney crew personally..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,824 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    My weather

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Take a screenshot at 4am and see how many trans Atlantic flights are transiting Irish airspace, even if we reduced incoming flights, there are still a huge amount of flights flying through "our air". We'll be the best boys in class as usual, while international partners do as they please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Only if there is a new player to make entrance onto that policial stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭creedp


    Again all that matters are the KPIs. Whats the old adage...what gets measured gets done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Blut2


    None of them other the Greens and SocDems are wedded to it. A FG/Green only government would go the furthest on climate measures, because FG are the most climate focused big party, but even then its doubtful they'd go as far as you the things you listed.

    With either FF or SF as the major party in government there isn't a hope Irish farming will be decimated or anything like that, both parties have very strong rural conservative voter bases that make up a significant part of their support (and TDs).

    If we have a FF/SF, or SF/FF/Farmers Alliance government after the next election, we'll have a government very hesitant on wacky environmental measures. That'll do wonders for letting the country focus on more important things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Some are, some aren't. Besides, the civil service are pulling the strings more so than politicians. Even moving on politicians still leaves the civil service and entrenched lobbyists pushing agendas. I've been in the dept. of agriculture too many times and those working in it are more and more anti agriculture as the years have gone on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    The Irish political pendulum has swung so far left, I expect to see a reaction in fragmentation within existing political parties, somewhat akin to the short lived Progressive Democrats to drag the Overton window back to the center. It takes decades of on the ground legwork the get a new party established in Ireland, it will probably start with a breakaway FF or FG faction with a combination of independents to get a new party elected in short order to hold balance of power in a new coalition. There is unhappiness in the grassroots that occasionally pops its head over the parapet via parties own councilors before being pounced by head office and media. Lackluster election results, lack of career opportunities, public dissatisfaction with party leadership should provide the catalyst, not forgetting that political winds outside Ireland will provide a template for what not to do. The Farmer Citizen Movement (BoerBurgerBeweging) is the most likely template for Irish politicians to follow to bring a center right balance back.

    Having said that, It's looking like the rationalization of the overcrowded political left in Ireland will see Labour under Ivana Bacik exiting and what remains merge with the Social Democrats, that's a potential 6 seats up for grabs.

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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The 23 combined Green/PBP/LAB seats are likely to turn into 3-5 seats total for those parties, and 18-20 SF seats in the next election. Most of their voters aren't moving to the right. A large number of those TDs were also only elected on SF runoff votes in the last election, because SF didn't run enough candidates.

    The new Farmers Alliance party, which will hopefully do well (and topically for this thread has the most anti-Green agenda of any of our parties now), will take most of its votes from FF/FG/SF though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Thanks, great post and I do agree there will be a move back to the centre right in time (whether we agree that is the way to go or not, it is certainly the sentiment of the majority electorate) but I dont see a new party formation of note this side of the General Election.

    Which means we are another 5 years away from any viable alternative.

    The Farmers Alliance party will be an interesting one to follow, though I think the election will likley come too soon for them to play a role in any meaningful way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,577 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Electric buses being charged on nothing but harmless diesel generated electricity, I'm confused 🤔...

    https://www.tiktok.com/@seeingdbl2/video/7324271883854236974



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