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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭zg3409


    You can pay a cash deposit there and then and ask for ad to be removed. Some can electronically transfer immediately using revolut or online banking but it can take a few days to arrive depending on bank. Cash can work for lower value cars and you can go together and lodge into account. Either way it's good to do the deal quick before the seller changes their mind. Not having a trailer or co driver with you helps you to walk away and negotiate while leaving or after having left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    If you want the best price from most people I think it is there and then.

    It's far easier to say no to a sub standard ex, via call or text

    It is far harder to say no when someone puts their hand out to shake at €500 below whatever position you get, and they have the cash there. Most people want an easy life.

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Cw85


    Went to test drive a bmw x5 today. I was buying through a straight sale. Sat down to try do a deal after test drive to be told the price on the car was non negotiable. Im 20 years buying cars and I've never seen this before. Price is in excess of 70k and zero money off on a straight sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Used?

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Depends whether it was well priced compared to others for sale or not. If it is, I wouldn't blame them, they'll sell it for asking.

    If it's not well priced, they'll be left stuck with it.

    The amount you pay is what's important not the amount you negotiate off the price.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Cw85


    True however in 20 years of buying cars I've never seen it before. Surely the customer needs to feel like he was looked after and leave happy. In this case the car was 71k and my offer of 70k was refused. I just think that's madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    You walked away from the €71k car you wanted over €1k?

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Cw85


    Yes, having made numerous offers. Its more out of principle. Same could be said for them that they lost a sale over 1k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Strange by them. Was original asking price 71k?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Cw85


    Yes and they wouldn't accept and lower



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭dr.dundrum


    No EV bargain for some time again, always discussions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,646 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    One of my best buys was a Porsche Boxster, in super condition with lots of recent service history from arguably Ireland's best indy Porsche garage who had looked after the car for years. Already well priced at €5250. Got it for €3800 cash (that I had with me). That's about 70% of the asking price.

    Sold it for €9k, out of test, out of tax, with some issues, but fundamentally still a very good car

    That was 5 years of driving a nice Porsche completely free, even after petrol, motor tax, insurance, maintenance, etc.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    That's what I thought. The madness works both ways. The seller likely had lots of interest and felt no need to accept any less. Possibly had a preference to hold the car a little longer too - who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Sounds crazy in black and white like that, but that is not how negotiation works though, it's rarely pure math, negotiation is 50% psychology. Flip your point back at dealer- they had a deal to be done and now they will have to invest at least another 90 minutes but maybe 3 or 4 times 90 minutes with different people, to potentially get an extra 1k, maybe 800€, that could come down to a pretty poor hourly rate from this point forward. Price the car 500 euro higher


    at that price level the salesperson can price the car 500-1000 more and 99% of the same customers will still be interested, and they can then give "a deal".

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    There's a lot to be said for cutting the bullsh1t, pricing a car at the price you actually want, getting that bit of additional interest and selling fast.

    The chances are reasonably high that the eventual buyer of this 71k vehicle wouldn't have viewed it if it was listed at 74-75k.

    If you ask me, bring the Tesla model to new pricing into the used market. The price you see is the price you pay and zero time wasting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    I agree if that is what your model is AND everyone knows that.

    But for decades the irish model is a little haggle. If a garage is changing tactic they should be crystal clear with customers. It feels like it's marketing 101 to correct an unhelpful expectation from the outset, in neon lights at the gate.

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    In my opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to list anything for sale at a certain price without having to say "by the way, thats REALLY the price". It's always sensible to go into a potential deal hoping for, but not expecting, a discount.

    When I sell a car, I don't feel the need to say "I want €20k but the industry norm is a 5% discount so I need to list at €21k". I might go that route - but by no means would I feel that I must (and, as a matter of principle, just like this deal never went through out of a matter of principle, I wouldn't entertain any buyer that felt I had in some way screwed them by not offering a discount on the listed price).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,798 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    A sales person having no move on a 70k vehicle is laughable. I'd have walked too. Part of the game is negotiation.

    I doubt X5s are rolling out the door regardless of money.


    Bananas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    What if walking results in you getting a €5k discount off the same spec vehicle listed elsewhere at €80k? There's a big difference between feeling like you got a deal and actually getting a deal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Ironically I am sure analysis would show many humans will prefer the 75 car 😂 and be less likely to bring it back with some random irrelevant minor quirk

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    Possibly. I just reckon the majority on a car forum wouldn't let "a matter of principle" of not getting a discount get in the way of buying a vehicle listed elsewhere at a much better price, but with no discount.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    I think I'll fulfil the title of this thread, for now as it seems to have become a bit lost.....

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id-3-2020/35685359

    19k for a VW ID3 from a dealer. Sounds like a reasonable deal. The bottom of this market must be soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,527 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Been posted twice already.. They have it for sale privately and through the dealership, for a higher price.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/35689047



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭vicM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    Seems a good deal in today's market but I believe we're still a right bit away from the bottom of the market.

    It's more than half the price of a new ID3. In a normal market for ICE vehicles, you should be paying that for a 2021, not 2020. EVs, in the longer term, should be broadly similar. In the short term, as the market settles and price reductions throw things off, it's harder to assess true value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Yes it's been up a while.

    I wonder how much colour impacts resale value?

    I try to go white or black, partially because I believe they have a big market who like that. This odd green colour, which many might regard as blue, is likely one that divides opinion, and therefore potentially the market?

    I would pay 1k more for a white one, and reckon I'd get most of that back when selling.

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Cw85


    My main issue with the 70k 71k issue is that I would have rather been told before I drove an hour to see the car that the listed price was non negotiable. I've always sat down with a dealer after a test drive and tried to get a deal done. There's no way their margins are so tight that 1k to a new and possible repeat customer should be an issue. By the way the car is priced pretty much the same in a lot of dealers it's not like this one was a lower price.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,959 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Colour would definitely be a factor here. I have been thinking of changing my Leaf this year, but I wouldn't buy that colour.



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