Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Oh i am sure he would accept an agreement. He wouldn't stick to it though and I dont think they can put such conditions on a pardon anyway.

Hopefully academic but does double jeopardy apply to presidential pardons ?

Because Trump will continue offending even after he is pardoned I would imagine.

A lot of the recent media statements about Trump seem to centre on a pardon for him. Given how the two other GOP members who've tossed their names into the candidacy pot have posited giving Trump clemency for prior offences, is there any chance that the proposition could split other GOP factions even further apart? They have to be aware of that risk for the GOP. I assume that Trump will probably publicly label them as RINO's.

That has to be the most important fact facing the Democrat voters. Either they turn out in force at state level to prevent local state GOP party members from cooking the electorate voting books and the electorate voting systems before and after the vote days AND turn out in record numbers on the days where voting is allowed. Take full advantage of the GOP splits, and check for "fake" splits set up by the GOP candidates to fool the Democrats into thinking the GOP will do themselves to death over Trump.

The local state GOP parties have form for electoral fraud attempts: rigging electoral areas to disenfranchise voters, fiddling around with the proofs required by electors to prove they can vote on the day, closing ballot stations and altering closure times, preventing voters from being driven to the ballot stations. If Trump wins after all he's done, The Democrats will have done as much dis-service to the US as the GOP.

Is he going to skip all the debates, or just the Iowa one?

What party would Jewish voters in the US usually support?

That conflict is going to drag on until election time

Trump declared his position on Israel by moving the US embassy there to Jerusalem, which should have been a feather in his cap for domestic votes. Take what one wants from Trump's "all over the place" foreign policy decisions. If he thinks there's a chance of a vote in it for him, he'll give it the nod.

He was a member of the Democratic Party back circa 2012/2014 before becoming a Republican. Presumably there was a reason behind his thinking on which party to tie his future to.

In this article, Stephen Collinson wrote that high prices caused by the pandemic have a greater resonance with most voters than the matter of democracy.

This might sound unusual but, as it's from Trump's side it's possibly not. Trump's legal team have asked Judge Chutkan to hold Jack Smith in contempt of court after the special prosecutor [in their opinion] took steps to advance the case against Trump after a judge put the case on hold. The steps taken by Smith was the handing over to the defence thousands of pages of evidence and an exhibit list while the case was on pause. They claim Smith also filed a motion a week later after the handover of the evidence to them which “teems with partisan rhetoric" and “false claims.”.

I don't know whether they had originally asked for the handover of the prosecutors evidence and list from Smith in Judge Chutkan's court [as I understand is normal for the defence and the prosecution sides in cases] or were told by Smith in court conversations that he would do so. If they were aware, smoke is getting in peoples eyes.

The case involved seems to be the one where Smith was investigating Trump in respect to interference with the real 2020 election result so Trump could falsely claim to be the person elected to the presidency.

Hung by their won petard, and rightfully so.

If Trump does get elected again [supposing that the USSC decides that section 3 of the 14th amendment doesn't apply to election-candidates to the office of the presidency - which in itself leaves the door open to any serving president to rebel directly and forcefully against the constitution and the US itself, knowing they can run again should they behave the way that Trump did], I expect most if not all of those sentenced to jail over their part in the Insurrection bid would expect to be pardoned by Trump.

It would certainly mean that those freed from prison would be able to seek election themselves to the presidency - something that should be impressed on the USSC [and on those GOP seated in Washington friendly with those on the USSC] - before it decides on the election issue, whether or not the freedom from prison was down to a pardon or completion of prison sentence.

If he did - on legal advice -pardon those convicted and/or on trial, I would not like to have been on the bench, prosecution or jury panel at any of the insurrectionists trials. If he didn't pardon them, presumably it would rebound on him for declining any clemency requests from those believers. IMO, it would certainly be a major error of judgement to do so to those in/of the GOP who supported him on the hill on 06/01/2020, and at all other times since then. I wouldn't like to be the Trump AG of the day.

They could take a page from Trump's rulebook and tell the USSC all manner of invented "facts" including what he plans to do with the USSC as a fixture when re-elected.

Something I had asked myself was the where-abouts of the USSC building in Washington. According to the net, it's located just one block from the Capitol Building in Washington. I don't know what body provides its security. I presume the judges there took due recognition of what actually happened so near their work-building in 2020.