Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

"it's a simple fact the IDF would be bombing Gaza for some other reason" - it seems you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion.

Unless the "eventually" means that Hamas would have committed some other atrocious crime.

israel have bombed gaza unprovoked plenty of times, so hamas this and hamas that is meaningless really as israel would attack regardless of whether hamas existed or not.

i mean they slaughtered thousands during their years of occupation of gaza.

How are they "ensuring another attack" when Hamas have already committed the attack and promised to commit more of them until Israel no longer exists?

You're just victim-blaming there. The attack happened, so the idea that maybe there'll be no further attacks if only Israel would just sit there and do nothing is completely illogical. It's the attitude that led many Jews quietly to the death camps from the Warsaw Ghetto. I don't blame them for saying "Never again".

It's just embarrassing (to me) that so many Irish people seem to think they should let themselves be murdered again now.

Not condoning the use of 2'000 lb Bombs, or indeed dropping any kind of bombs on civilian targets, but when you are dealing with an enemy buried 50+ feet underground, dropping large 2'000 lb bombs might be the only kind of bomb that works.

Strange maybe, but how I see that playing out is that if Hamas do stage another brutal attack on Israel, then you will see opinion turning against them. It's one thing to be riding the crest of the anti-Israeli publicity wave, but that advantage (if that's the right word) could be lost very quickly, and that's what will happen if Hamas does stage another attack. With Israel saying " Look we told you what Hamas are like, now you can see for yourselves.

A military "expert" on CNN seemed sceptical that they would work.(they aren't bunker busters)

I still don't understand why civilians would remain in areas being bombed

Would Hamas be deliberately following them around as soon as they attempt to relocate to areas that aren't being bombed?

The most evil nation ever??

So the Nazis who murdered 6 million Jews just for being Jewish, and the Khmer Rouge who murdered about 3 million people for the crime of knowing how to read, and the North Koreans who still starve their population into submission - all pale into insignificance beside the Jews who dare to fight back against a murderous attack on their citizens, in their own homes or at a concert?

Turkey which displaced and murdered millions of its Armenian minority. And has murdered who knows how many of its Kurdish minority even recently.

Pakistan which regularly executes Pakistani Christians (a tiny minority in the country) on trumped-up charges of blasphemy, or jails women for the crime of having been raped - all minor misdemeanours compared to the evil Jews who refused to sit back and take yet another pogrom against them.

Ok, got that. I'm sure there's no anti semitism in that opinion of yours at all.

october the 7th wouldn't have happened with secure borders, it only happened because israel deliberately opened the borders knowing what was going to happen.

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No victim blaming here, no sireeee

How can it be "before they do it to us" after Oct 7th? Unless you think Hamas were about to bomb Israel, this is a completely counterfactual take on events.

Hamas had already attacked Israel, and promised to do it again, and again.

So no, the chronology of events shows that you're simply wrong about that.

And, sad to have to post this yet again, Hamas continues to launch rockets. They *never stop* attacking Israel.

There was a report last week about Russia dropping a 3'000 lb bomb on Kherson that they claimed was capable of penetrating 60ft deep. Whatever about its penetrating effect, a 2'000 lb bomb would have devastating effect on any nearby buildings. Hamas knew very well how Israel would react to the attack, and indeed, the whole Hamas plan was based on the Israeli reaction. A massive Palestinian death / injury was also part of their plan, so Yes, I'm pretty sure that Hamas prevented Palestinians from reaching safe areas. And the resulting headlined (which did come to pass) "Israel orders Palestinians to evacuate to safe areas, then bomb the safe areas, and that's exactly what happened.

Could they ,rather than preventing civilians from moving (not sure how they could do that -perhaps with misinformation?) have just followed the movement of the civilians as much as possible(minimizing their casualties) ?

Does Israel have the luxury of time against Hamas?Can Hamas outlast IDF even just in Gaza?

If they ration their rockets they can remain "undefeated " as long as they can still fire them. Do they gave a chance of defeating/frustrating IDF in more than "just" the propaganda front?

We seem to have two armies who both have "home advantage".

Yes rational people will blame Hamas for this but also they can call out the disproportionate response of the Israelis in all of this. Just because you agree with them doesn't automatically make it right.

So, you surmised all of the above from this?

"Is the Iranian general a Hamas operative?"

With the best will in the word, that's a stretch...

As mentioned further in, it was a genuine question. I only quoted you because you brought assassination into the debate.

Maybe you should read what is being asked a bit more carefully...

actual evidence seeing as you asked - I saw Israel terrorise Gaza for no reason at all. naval exercises at night, tracer to beat the band. Israeli friends told me Israeli airforce would fly low over Gaza, hit Mach 1 and break all the windows because, well, terrorism.