Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

the links themselves prove you wrong as they are essentially hasbara propaganda.

The reason Israel are killing so many civilians is because Hamas has been preparing for just such an event (which they deliberately provoked) by ensuring that civilians in Gaza are human shields for Hamas' soldiers. They've deliberately made it impossible for Israel to respond militarily without killing Palestinians.

Hamas even told a reporter that they wouldn't let civilians shelter in the tunnels, because those were for Hamas, not for civilians, and that the safety of civilians was not their problem. Even though they run the health centre, the education system and the justice system, being the actual government of Gaza.

That makes Hamas responsible for those deaths, more than Israel.

As for proportionality (apart from the fact that you're again using it in a general sense, not the legal sense in which it applies to military operations under international law) could you explain what would have been, in your view, a "proportional" attack for Israel to make in response to the Oct 7th attacks? Kidnap and murder some Palestinian children? Rape a few Palestinian women? Murder the equivalent number of entirely random Palestinians?

Or launch a military attack to try to remove Hamas from power, despite knowing that this will lead to many civilian deaths because Hamas is using them as human shields?

LOL.

The Independent, the Telegraph and various other links cited in the Wikipedia article (did you even read it?) are all Hasbara propaganda are they?

Whereas your statements, backed up bu, err, nothing, are not propaganda??

Just, LOL again.

It shows that young men on the ground in a warzone in which many of their comrades have already been killed are likely to overreact when faced with three young men who might or might not be Israeli.

It was in a zone from which civilians had all fled - they hadn't seen any at all there for days, and while obviously they got it wrong, I don't think it shows anything much other than how easy armchair strategising is compared to being on the ground with your own life in play.

Absolutely I am.

The world over agree Hamas need eradicating.

The only country with the cajones to do it is Israel.

Took an international coalition to remove ISIS. Israel are doing this alone.

That’s complete BS. But also indicative of your bias. There weren’t wearing tops. Waving a white flag, shouting in Hebrew. The IDF are trigger happy and appears to believe that principles of distinction don’t apply to them.

what about the sniper murdering a woman leaving a church to go to the bathroom. There is plenty evidence even if you don’t want to admit it

What would I do. If you, my neighbour did all those things and lived in a neighbouring estate. Do I then have the right to annihilate that estate? No. Hamas does not equal all Palestinians civilians whether you like it or not.

also, with all due respect, Israeli forces and settlers have raped and murdered Palestinians. Innocent civilians. Israel have proven themselves time and time again to be capable of horrendous acts.

So, ignoring the rocket launches that go on daily?

Not under imminent threat. Get up the yard with that. Hamas are an existential threat to Israel, as long as they launch rockets daily, and have threatened to repeat October7th until Israel is Judenfrei.

I honestly believe, from your post, you need to talk to somebody.

What you said is without doubt a fantasy which only yourself can own.

Why did you bring my sister into it?

Children are being murdered in their thousands. You seem happy with it. Explain why please?

Filthy penis. Feck sake.

"These rockets are not an imminent threat to Israel. How many thousands of rockets fired from Gaza since Oct 7 and how many Israeli's dead as a result of them?"

Do I detect a note of disappointment? They're launching rockets. Multiple times/day. Thousands. But, that doesn't meet your definition of 'imminent' because the rockets haven't killed anyone yet.

If Israel stops bombing without reciprocal action from Hamas, what do you think they'll do? Suddenly make efforts at humanitarian relief? Surrender their leaders?

No, they'll at least continue to launch rockets and probably a few of the crazier ones will want to counterattack.

By that logic, the IDF are committing war crimes on a much larger scale.

Israel have done nothing of the sort.

What people fail to understand, is there is no way of getting to Hamas to hold them to account, because they hide behind and among the their own civilians.

It really is not that difficult to understand.

You don't allow October 7th to go without response. Instead of berating Israel, people really need to look at the real culprits.

Egypt has been preventing them from leaving for years. Israel only stops them from coming into Israel, which is understandable, given the attacks that Palestinians have launched on Israelis.

But nobody is accusing Egypt of imprisoning Gazans. Just the Jews. As usual.

Only if you don't understand the difference between a legitimate military aim, versus killing civilians for ethnic reasons.

Would you go away out of that. Israel murdered a lot of their own people on October 7th. Indiscriminately shelling kibbutz and shooting people on sight.

They indiscriminately murdered 3 Israeli hostages who were surrendering to them, half naked and holding up white flags.

They indiscriminately murdered an off duty cop who’d shot a knife attacker.

They indiscriminately murdered 11 men in front of their families and then threw grenades into a room containing the women and children.

Israel is a terrorist state.