Israel/Palestine Thread

A majority of Germans NEVER voted for Hitler, but that didn't stop the Allies bombing them all the same, so that's not much of an argument, given that the only reason there hasn't been an election since is because a majority of people voted for an anti democratic party called, eh, Hamas. A party that promised to destroy Israel, so presumably that's what the Gazan population wanted to prioritise, and that's what they got.

What else did Gazans think was going to happen? They didn't vote for a party that promised to respect the democratic process. So how is it anyone else's fault?

But it was their own business, I suppose - right up until Hamas came out of Gaza and raped, murdered and kidnapped Israeli civilians, including babies and children. At that point, Israel needed to act to stop them from being able to do it again.

'Hamas initiated the war'

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How many Germans in Dresden voted for Hitler? They're not being bombed because they voted for Hamas, they're being bombed because Hamas used Gaza to launch a murderous attack on Israeli civilians, and has said they'll do it again and again.

If Gazans haven't risen against Hamas like the Arab Spring to stop them from keeping that promise, then Israel is legally entitled to go into Gaza to destroy Hamas. And if Hamas then uses Gazan citizens as human shields to protect its own soldiers from the IDF, that's Hamas' responsibility rather than Israel's.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I haven't said that, and I also think that might be illegal under international law, as it would be punishing civilians for Hamas' actions.

What is legal is for the IDF to go after Hamas, and (within some very strict restrictions, which I can't say for sure that Israel has always followed - but neither can anyone here say for sure that they haven't), if civilians are killed, then that is tragic but it's what happens when civilians are in a war zone. Just like tens of thousands died under the Allied bombs dropped over Germany, or in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And those aren't considered war crimes for the same reason that Israel dropped leaflets or phoned certain individuals to tell them to evacuate buildings before they attacked them - because they obeyed the criteria about warning civilians etc.

I've been to Cambodia too, and Palestine and other places where human rights have and are being been openly abused. People like SeanW clearly haven't been there nor have they interacted with people from these places, and have admitted it previously, and are just perpetuating stereotypes they have come across in whatever they have read online.

Should be both sides but your attempts at edgy posts miss nuisances like that.

Absolutely - if it's true.

Unlike Hamas, where posters on here are calling them a resistance organisation, ie defending people who deliberately murdered babies on ethnic grounds.

actually no, they are being bombed because israel is a genocidal terrorist expansionist state who want to ethnically cleanse the gazans so as to take the territory of gaza for itself.

israel wants as much territory it can take and will not stop until it gets what territory it wants.

it is israel's responsibility if civilians are killed as israel generally deliberately target civilians as a matter of policy, regardless of whether hamas is there or not.

hamas is israel's creation so israel has no intention of destroying hamas, not that it can anyway, because hamas being around serves it's interest.