Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

That was Hamas throwing everything in its arsenal at Israel in an operation that had been planned for one to two years - and they still only managed to kill just over 1000 people out of a population of 7m Israeli Jews.

You know, this isn't the win you think it is.

Where was your concern for the people of Syria, Yemen, Uyghur (whoever made that image couldn't even spell their name correctly while being sanctimonious about people not caring about them). And the same goes for the people of Myanmar, or Sudan, or Ethiopia or the other places where people are dying that didn't make the list.

This post screams 'All Lives Matter' that was used only to shut down the 'Black Lives Matter' slogan that was seen at thousands of protests. The people saying 'All Lives Matter' didn't really give a sh*t about people who suffer, if they did, they'd be actively working to help them or supportive of those people who were doing so. They said this just to negate concern for Black people.

Where were the posts/threads from any of the posters who want to talk about Yemen now 6 months or a year or 5 years ago? I don't believe there is any concern whatsoever about these areas from the people who made or agree with the above image. They only care about shutting down concern for Gaza.

Pitiful stuff.

• Collective Punishment.
• Killing people who have surrendered
• Use of White Phosphorous
• Targeting medical personnel

Do you dispute that these things happened, or that they are war crimes?

Reply to 'Tell me how' .

I would suggest Hamas are using civilians as shields, therefore creating a situation where civilians die.

I would also argue that using medical installations as military bases and store houses for their weapons is also putting medical professionals at risk.

You wouldn't agree?

And there is no evidence of White Phospherous use.

A point of view that says there should be an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal from Gaza is certainly not a minority point of view in Ireland.

As far back as Nov 5, 71% of Irish people polled believed Israel’s response was “disproportionate in its severity”. The additional thousands of dead women and children since then will only have added to that figure.

You are in the minority, in this country at least.

I don't see the poster (or the likes of the poster) denying israel the right to exist?

if I denied Israel the right to exist (which I don't) are you saying that that is why they are doing what they are doing? I doubt the Israelis give any thoughts to what I think. Or the UN.

You're missing the point, the people who made that picture don't care and they don't pretend to care. What are they trying to say it that these rallies are hypocritical and motivated by antisemitism. The crowd on that bridge doesn't really care about muslim lives, they are there only because they hate the jews.

Same goes for BLM, they were never interested in doing anything for the blacks, they embezzled the money and they bought mansions. They were only motivated by their racism against whites.

No, I'm not doing that. It's a new development related to the topic of this thread. A girl was taken god knows where and probably raped and murdered. Your response is "so?". Good for you, continue with the empathetic view point 👍👍

This post is overloaded with your subjective opinion on both the makers of the meme, and the motivations of BLM.

How do you know specifically about why the person who made the meme made? And that aside, it was the context in which it was being used her that I was referring to, and in that case, it seems you agree with me, that others who bring up different crises situations are doing so mostly to shut down a particular angle of discussion on this crisis.

With respect to BLM, again, it is unreasonable and unfair to attribute the behavior of some to being reflective of the entire movement of people who approved the core message that Black Lives do Matter. It is frequently said on here that 'the BLM protests were all about violence'. They weren't. Absolutely there were some at which there was violence. A lot of violence. No one is disputing that. But the vast majority of protests were peaceful and the vast majority of attendees were similarly motivated. I think something like 0.002% of the total volume of people who were estimated to have attended protests were arrested for actions at them. Say only 1 person in every 100 who committed violence was arrested. That's still only 0.2% of all attendees which means 99.8% of people were peaceful. Is it appropriate to suggest that an organization should be judged based on the actions of 0.2% of its members or the 99.8%?

There is corruption in politics, in police forces, in religions, in industry, in non-profit organisations, wherever there are people. There is no debate there. But to discount the entirety of a movement because of the behaviour of a handful of people is disingenuous, particularly when those people were not specifically involved in directing all of the people who agreed with the sentiment that the movement was expressing.

And its been proven to be beyond ridiculous to imply that movements calling for the safety of the Palestinian people are instead motivated by antisemitism. It is shocking to see people so absolved of compassion that they would look to twist empathy for those dying in to somehow being hatred for those of the same religion as those doing the killing.

Or do you think that marches organized by and attended by Jewish people calling for a ceasefire are also anti-Semitic in nature? If not, please explain how you don't think those are, but the ones referenced above are.

Do you know that not a single person under the age of 35 voted for Hamas? Are you saying people deserve what comes to them because of the governments they voted for?

Well you introduced Yemen and Syria and China. If Russia-Ukraine more relevant to the discussion than those? Most definitely yes. Israel bases its claim to the region on a book that is a few thousand years old that says their god gave them some vague area of the Middle East to own.

Russia, in contrast, has the much stronger origin story of the Kievan Rus which is relatively far more recent in time and is actually supported by contemporaneous accounts and archaeology.

Israel claims it is at permanent risk of destruction from a population of about 2 million people living permanently at a subsistence level on the brink of starvation. Russia claims it is at permanent risk from the West who were expanding their influence through West-leaning politicians and policies into Ukraine. Which is completely true. So rather than 2m starving people, the Ukrainians have tens of millions of their own people, a sophisticated military, and the backing of hundreds of millions of the wealthiest people in the world via their respective governments. Both Israel and Russia have nuclear weapons. Palestinians don't, but the Western backers f Ukraine most certainly do.

I don't think that Russia has any justification for what it is doing, but I recognize that their claims to have are far stronger than Israel has. And I definitely don't think that Israel has any justification at all. You appear to have the opinion that Israel has the justification to kill all the brown Muslims, but that Russia doesn't have justification to kill the Christian Caucasians in Ukraine. It is difficult to rationalize that cognitive dissonance.

Pro-tip for you for today - don't introduce irrelevant nonsense if you don't like it being mirrored back to you.

reply to bigwill123

from this source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine

Following the Fatah–Hamas conflict that started in 2006, Hamas formed a government ruling the Gaza Strip without elections. Gazan Prime Minister Haniyye announced in September 2012 the formation of a second Hamas government, also without elections.

Who do you think the people of Gaza will vote for next time? Seeing their mothers, brothers and sisters murdered and their hospitals bombed, their doctors and journalists murdered and then their oppressors starving them will ensure that Hamas, or another organisation who are even more determined to fight, will have the votes. Rinse and repeat.

Even then, it was a party as part of a government and they got 44% to Fatah's 41%. Then there was a whole war and shlt and Hamas took over. That wasn't voted for.

It was 44% of a vote in an election 16 years ago with a 75% turnout. With such a ridiculously young population, the percentage of people alive who voted for Hamas is so low that to weaponise it and justify the murders happening now is either stupidity or just happily lying to oneself.