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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭growleaves


    No communities, cities, towns and villages in Ireland have refused to recognise the democratically elected government.

    You are seriously confused now. Nobody has set up an alternative government or declared the current government null or illegitimate.

    It isn't possible to financially isolate singular communities and rule them as micro-colonies from Leinster House. They have local representatives for one thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Great! So you advocate that asylum seeker communities, Ukraine communities, etc, receive absolutely nothing in the form of state paid housing, food, medical as they are not contributing to the coffers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme



    I don't think they should be ruled from leinster House. They should be ruled by their own elected councillors and TDs. They are given the pot of money that they raised and their elected councillors and TDs determine how best to spent that. It's giving them full automny. Why would not want this system? They clearly have an issue with being ruled from Leinster House and having things like this forced on them so this provides them with the choice of being able yo jave complete control over their area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And most people in Germany thought that Hitler Youth camps were just safe places for their kids to be and that those members of the Nazi party burning buildings and books and beating up Jews and immigrants were just a few random thugs ...until they weren't .

    Wake up to what you are saying !

    If there is no extreme right wing who is planning and organising these multiple arson events at various refugee centres , then some of our population is somehow being radicalised to criminality .

    Either way it is criminal thuggish behaviour and should be abhorred by anybody who wants to live in a society without fear .

    I do think that the government have made mistakes in how they have not had proper engagement with the community prior to bringing refugees in , but this is not a normal community reaction which many in the area are very upset over and there is something very dark about the support on this thread for this .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It isn't actually possible for an Irish community to break the law. Individuals obey laws or break them.

    Collective punishment for an Irish village or town is also not possible or legal and won't happen.

    You need to take a step back from your drunk on power perspective, you are not some colonial master who punishes towns for not following orders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Yes and there should be signs on entering these villages declaring "Non Compliant.. Special Tax Status" and the villagers should be made wear special coloured caps even when travelling outside their area, Rte could run a public information campaign to educate the citizens on the new rules, the public would fall in line instantly.... for the common good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Public representatives are not 'ruling' over people. They can't just stuff unlimited numbers of African Muslims into every locale without explanation because they feel like it.

    There will be a political re-alignment over this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes , people have asked that question over and over here...

    If it is " the arsehole of nowhere " as I am sure others would disagree, why do some of you care so much whether these people will be bored or have no travel?

    Do you really think that only Irish people can enjoy living in a peaceful country place ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme



    How councils use their money is up to them to decide.


    Currently villages arr being told what to do by outsides and they have an issue with that. I'm simply providing an alternative method of how things can be improved that will ensure villages have more control and input in how their local area runs. Think of it like a version of direct democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭MagicJohn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme



    Yet these villages should be expected to benefit from money raised by other cities and town that do take in immigrants? That's hardly fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,310 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    But isn't that the point of calling people "far right" or "racist" to end rational debate. It's like during covid that some folks wanted to round of those who weren't vaccinated and send them off to some camp in the middle of nowhere. We need to really grow up in this country and recognise not everyone will toe the government/party line, there are quite a few who have questions and would like those questioned answered before making up their minds and there is nothing wrong with that, this is what Leaders do, they bring people with them and we don't have that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    I knew it was da fare Righ. They fuckers are so logistically organised they can be everywhere at once.

    Remember when Sinn Fein were the big bad on the lips of the blueshirts and the soldiers of destiny? Now it’s the Far Right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭growleaves



    Towns and villages need subsidies to some extent to survive.

    The tax system was not set up as a bribe/blackmail machine and I have never heard of tax allocations being used as some kind of collective punishment - this would be a strange new foray into legalised corruption imo (if it even is legal).

    Btw this would indirectly vindicate the kind of people who vote for the Healy-Raes and Lowry - they distrust the Government "up in Dublin" and vote for a local anti-government figure to grab tax money in a desperate scramble

    Now you want to explicitly weaponise the tax system to force obedience for unpopular policies on people. That way lies madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This government are clueless. They were clueless and poor at communication throughout Covid. They caused the longest lockdowns in EU because they refused to tackle the trolley crisis meaning we had no capacity during the Covid surge.

    Leo and Michael don't give a fiddler's now either because they have their eyes on cushy jobs in EU or UN or elsewhere. Their communication and planning for housing immigrants is more of the same but they get a new Green TD to absorb most of the flak.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    everyone is familiar with the phase "the devil finds work for idle hands".

    i personally couldn't give a tinker's curse if they all dropped dead from terminal boredom if you really want to know. but that's unlikely. it's the longterm social consequences i would be afraid of. and do you really think this Govt. has given much thought to that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The IMF were the people insisting on some sort of charge during the bailout , not Europe .

    And it was the government of the day , and Phil Hogan that decided they were going to charge everybody and meter the charges etc in the middle of one of the biggest economic downturns and financial crisis for all citizens who were barely keeping their family's heads above the surface . This and Labour supporting it .

    That is why the public in general took to the streets .

    But I don't see that happening here , not yet .

    Very localised objectors only .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You have to say who you are talking to here .or quote the post gl ..

    This came after one of mine and I don't recall saying any of that .

    That's a very strong post to be directing to the ether.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Indeed as regards the devil and idle hands...I am glad you agree that those who burnt that building down , allegedly , are on the dark side!

    Long term social circumstance...very good if you believe that anybody really is thinking long term here . I don't .

    Think it's more short term thinking " let's house these people in the middle of winter " going on here .

    But now not only is a lovely old building destroyed but these lads will be on the streets sleeping rough ..

    Is that a win ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭growleaves


    A follow-on to my previous reply to Augme.

    Yes I will be more careful next time, thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I see that now .

    It was a bit if a ' wtf ' moment there!

    Still a bit strong tho ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭TokTik


    And should a local council made up only of local people get to decide where this tax money is spent? Should this local council also facilitate the collection of tax? Will this local council get to say who can buy a house there? Will they get to approve/deny planning?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    is it a win? well if it discourages more of them arriving, then yes that is a positive result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 946 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    O’Gorman brought much of that on himself. After three failed attempts at the Dail he was made a minister first time he was elected…

    More out of his depth than the Titanic imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Would be delicious irony if this fire was started by homeless immigrants trying to get a bit of heat into themselves and it got out of control.

    Im guessing we’d hear no more about it then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭slay55


    Do you know for fact who burnt the hotel down?


    could be insurance fraud, could be asylum seekers preferring to live in Dublin than in the middle of nowhere

    could be protestors


    we don’t know yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It won't .

    But good to see exactly where you stand , instead of the handwringing over longterm interests and other such pfaffle .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    I’m not sure what correlation you are trying to draw between my comment and how the people of Germany felt about Hitler during that time.

    I used Hitler to illustrate how scapegoating and having a boogyman figure was leveraged to control and get through policies that maybe otherwise would not have been brought through/actioned as easily. It’s a common historical example that most people would be familiar with.



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