Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I searched but couldn't find that. Cheers.

the IDF won't be returning anyone anywhere.

if they invade the lebanon they will get their arses handed to them again like they did last time.

this time it will be worse as they have a lot of resources in gaza currently.

Which doesn't answer the question at all.

you believe the state of Israel, the day after it was declared, was planning on invading it's neighbours? Because that's what you claimed. Their neighbours only attacked them because they had intelligence that the brand newly formed Israeli state was going to invade them?

I would be interested to see any evidence at all about this

It is actually non-Zionist Jewish people who are warning that this relentless cheerleading for the IDF by unhinged individuals on social media is doing them no favours. I don't see a rise in Islamophobia in coming months, but it would be easy to see a rise in anti-Semitism.

There seems to be a clear attempt too by the regime and its supporters to link all Jewish people to the military action. Any Jewish person who dares criticise or question it is immediately labelled a "traitor" or "Judenrat".

lad israel got their arses handed to them last time they tried it on with hesbala in 2006.

all of the bombing and eventually a gurilla force forced them back across the border.

the ground invasion is being slaughtered in gaza as it is, their air power has a lot of resources tied up there also, they won't have the resources to be able to bomb 2 countries into oblivian at the same time.

even the US wouldn't be able to give them enough ammunition to do that without dipping into it's own stock pile which is not going to happen.

The rise is anti Zionism is certainly warranted. I don’t like to call it anti-semitism because not all Jews are zionists.

Most civilised people would think it Normal to be ‘anti’ a group committing genocide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/world/middleeast/house-anti-zionism-antisemitism.html

The IDF obviously can tell as they have dropped 20,000 smart bombs, they wouldn't be dropping them without knowing their target right?

But seriously, seeing as how the IDF haven't had a presence in the Gaza since years (was it 2005?), how would they know whose Hamas?

I'm sure it's a similar position to the US in Afghanistan with the Taliban and more recently with ISIS, but the US and allies didn't cause nearly as many civilian deaths as the IDF have.

About the bombing, had Israel being serious about bombing Gaza, there would not be much of Gaza left by now. This is not to be taken as support for Israel in any shape or form, it's just a fact presently, and is no guarantee that before they are finished, Israel may well demolish Gaza completely. They just do not care.

Had the Taliban or ISIS been confined to the same conditions as Hamas and the Palestinians are in Gaza, the killing would be the same. But the fact is they are completely different scenarios. In both Afghanistan and Syria, people could and did move from danger areas, Thats not to say that thousands of innocent civilians were not killed, because there were, but had they been in Gaza, with no escape possible, the death figures would be much higher. So, it's not like comparing like with like.

Gallant wanted to launch a pre emptive strike on Lebanon in the days after October 7th. This is the guy you said was favourite to take over in Israel. Was that factual or just wishful thinking on your part, I ask because the way you describe the war in 2006 is clearly a flight of fancy due to your pro Israel stance. If you were able to take off the blinkers for a bit you'd acknowledge the war ended in a stalemate with Israel retreating. The truth is both Israel and Hezbollah have avoided going to war since 2006. IDF personnel have admitted another war against Hezbollah would be far more difficult than the current war against Hamas.

I agree with that other than the proposition that the other Arab countries in the region care about the Palestinian Arabs. Unfortunately I've seen no evidence to suggest that those countries have anything other than contempt for the Palestinian Arabs. All I've seen is their willingness to use them as a pawn and a callous disregard for their lives and wellbeing that is as least equal to the callous disregard of the Israelis. That is the sickeningly hopeless reality they face.

The reality is that no other country in the region cares about the Palestinian Arabs and internationally there's no up side for opposing Israel.

As for "Never Again", we've had Rwanda, East Timor, West Papua (that and East Timor conducted by the Indonesian Government which is now criticising Israel and accusing them of genocide), the Ethnic Vietnamese in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge, the extermination of 150,000-200,000 Maya Indians in Guatemala in the 1980's (by the US backed Government), The Marsh Arabs in Iraq by Saddam, and of course China in Tibet and what they are doing now. Hardly a word about any of them and certainly not the same noise from the UN but they aren't that interested in the 100,000 dead Arab children in Yemen because that's another war where there's no up-side in caring about the victims.

From Israel's social media influencer. I thought you could not say things like that ?

He is just having some fun, and defying the fash and mocking their chant all in one.

Well the "disregard" is hardly equal to the actions of the Israelis, they are not bombing them, dehousing them and starving them out after all.

I never said they care in that post, not the leaders of the countries anyway.

I think the feeling of public there for Palestinians is genuine.

Leaders of countries "caring" is not the same as further hatred engendered now by what Israel is doing potentially being useful to the wrong types of leader (and dangerous) in future.

I'd like to see Gallant take over, he is most likely to replace his arch enemy Bibi and be PM in time.

He is pragmatic but focused on goals as well.

Israel arguably got a kick in the ass in 2006, underprepared, troops not resourced properly, constrained in how to fight. It still hit Hezbollah very hard and brought Lebanon to the edge of collapse.

Now, Lebanon is verging on failed State, no senior job can be filled unless Hezbollah put one of their own in, so the country is rudderless, the economy on life support and directionless.

Hezbollah certainly are a very capable. Large and well resourced force, a real threat and fighting them will be costly and brutal for Israel.

Yet that is precisely why they must be shoved back from the border, you can't have a force that size, committed to the extermination of yids, fags and whores etc etc ready to come over the border.

You and a few others here might find that prospect tantalizing but the aforementioned are not willing to go along to be slaughtered, the turnout of women of women to fight in the IDF is at an all time record, they know what they are up against and what the likes of you would be willing to let happen to them.

Forcing Hezbollah back to a distance will probably cost thousands of Israeli lives, it will also mean that Beirut is an empty ruin, that every facet of the Lebanese state is hit, that everything related to Hezbollah is hit, that 30km from the border becomes an empty buffer zone. Lebanon will probably end as a State, not far of it anyway.

The care shown in Gaza will not be applicable due to the speed and urgency of stopping hezbollah.

What choice does Israel have if Hezbollah do not pull back. None, at all. Waiting for an attack is not peace.

Lebanons only chance to survive, regardless of Israel's needs is that they destroy Hezbollah, who are intent on completely controlling it and largely do already. The other groups in Lebanon need to join in the fight or just quit and hand over everything to Hezbollah and get it over with.